1920 Dot over top scroll English

[robbiegal]

John Dean
1st Edition 1964
1965 Australian Coin Varieties Catalogue.

1919 - 1920 Pennys.

I can't find my Dean book
and was thinking about it after reading the posts
you read my mind!!
excellent thanks

[trout]

Or how about a proof Canberra florin at 2 and 6

:Alvarin_33::drooling::beg:

[nealeffendi]

Or how about a proof Canberra florin at 2 and 6

:Alvarin_33::drooling::beg:

Just checked my time machine (1929) and it was a bit more than that (a pound,oops). For 1919 and 1920 (Sydney) pennies it was 2 pounds 10 shillings each (must be proofs or specimen as they were listed as RRR and the Canberra proof as RR).
 By 1940 they had Proof 1939 pennies at 1'6 or Proof roo halfpennies at 2 shillings, Proof '38 florins at 5 shillings, FDC florins for 1914 and 1915 at 3 shillings.
Downies in 1971 had 1920 Double Dots at $1.25 each or 10 for $10 and 1925 at $3 each, $27 for 10 and $250 for 100.Basil, you got ripped off.:taunt:

[Basil]

Yeah,by 1971 the collecting frenzy caused by the changeover to Decimal currency was subsiding but Dealers had massive hoards of the scarcer dates & varieties.In the early 1960's the 1920 DD & 1919 DD were rarely traded,collectors who found them usually kept them so Dealers had a premium on the retail price.

While i have the book(1966) out,interesting to see the prices for 1914 & 1946 in relation to each other &  other low mints.Mintage figures listed for 1925 are interesting and probaly closer to the mark than 117,000.

[nealeffendi]

I don't think 1,639,200 minted for 1925 is anywhere close to the mark, I believe that figure includes the pennies struck in 1925 at Sydney and Sydney only used 1924 dated dies that year. I have alot of the old catalogues and they are either copy and pastes from each other (copying the errors) or they are just plain wrong. If you go off old surveys (before things had been cherrypicked) the 1925 was much too scarce to have 1.6 million out there; Bond (1945) in a survey found that 1914 were found at 4 per 1000 but 1925 was under 1 per 1000, that was in Sydney. A survey in South Australia (1960-63) found that 1925 was more common than 1914 there (but still scarce).

[Basil]

Yeah,who knows,when i was at School in the 1960's there was a lot of conjecture on the 1925 Mintages as we moved to Decimal currency,i think the official mintage figures have been revised several times over the years,MPO is its way more than the currently accepted figure of 117,000.

[Basil]

I was just reading the 1964 John Dean book page that was posted,he's way off the mark with the assessment of the 1919 DD as a possible false variety,P19G. The top dot with the moat is a bit different to the normal top dot but all genuine 1919 DD Pennies have the little bar over the first Ä of Australia,this was common knowledge back in the 1960's so not sure where's he's coming from or i've completely misinterpreted what he's saying.(which is highly likely these days).

[nealeffendi]

I was just reading the 1964 John Dean book page that was posted,he's way off the mark with the assessment of the 1919 DD as a possible false variety,P19G. The top dot with the moat is a bit different to the normal top dot but all genuine 1919 DD Pennies have the little bar over the first Ä of Australia,this was common knowledge back in the 1960's so not sure where's he's coming from or i've completely misinterpreted what he's saying.(which is highly likely these days).

Dean was clearly the best catalogue, but even it had some errors. There is a false double dot for 1919 as well as the genuine article.

[robbiegal]

I think that I have one
i'll try to dig it out tonight and take a photo
here goes guys
1919 false dot  (die chip dot)

[emu666]

I'll see if I can get contact details.

Thanks.
If he (or other collectors/researchers) needs to email me it's:
nagbs@outlook.com

Neal did you get the PM I sent you?

[robbiegal]

ps feathers
you ID'd that 1919 die chip variety for me a couple of years back

[Basil]

Easy ID on that one,no bar over the A,similar coins bob up on Ebay from time to time.The 1919 DD variety that has the moat type dot over the top scroll still has the bar over the A,or at least the genuine ones do.

[nealeffendi]

I'll see if I can get contact details.

Thanks.
If he (or other collectors/researchers) needs to email me it's:
nagbs@outlook.com

Neal did you get the PM I sent you?

Yes Peter, thanks for that.

[stevo1962]

Very interesting reading because I noodled what I thought was 3  x 1919 double dot pennies from a bulk lot last week and will now have to dig them out and have another look

[Basil]

Very interesting reading because I noodled what I thought was 3  x 1919 double dot pennies from a bulk lot last week and will now have to dig them out and have another look

Great find even if only 1 is a genuine coin.The Triton page has a photo of the 'moat type' upper dot but it still has the bar over the A,the other type is the normal smaller dot with bar over A.I'm no expert on all this but thats how i understand it all.Nearly out of Monthly Internet Download limit so will post some photos next Month.

http://www.triton.vg/P19.html