Proclamation Coins

[phrenzy]

My first post!  I was going to have a proper introduction but when I saw this thread which is on my new passion I thought here was as good as any. I started stacking silver bullion but I kept finding myself drawn towards historical gold and silver, particularly old australian sovereigns but the logical antecedent to that is proclamation coins. I would really like a 6400 reis and 3 reis coin pair. I think they would make a very interesting little set, hard to imagine going into a store or dealing with a merchant with a single gold coin and changing it for over two thousand small copper coins.

There are some great coins in this thread. I always thought if I started collecting coins I would end up collecting byzantine and classical Greek coins but the more I see these old proclamation coins the more in coming around to them.

Anyhow I thought I would show off a few of my very limited set of proclamation coins, all Carolus IIII pillar dollars. There's a few nice ones in there.  

[Nightparrot]

Gidday phrenzy and welcome.

I agree with you about the proclamation and colonial coins, they are great to collect, so much history.....

[markn]

Welcome to the phorum phrenzy, you and I have been having an Adelaide Ingot discussion over on SilverStackers  Good to see you on-board here!

[duggee27]

:welcome: phrenzy

those coins have tales to tell

[Unicorn]

:welcome: to the forum Phrenzy. Nice coins & photos.

[Fordprefect]

Welcome to the forum phrenzy.

Good first post,keep it up.

Note :-

All your posted images are "Bust Dollars" not "Pillar Dollars"

[kchan1111]

Very nice coins

[phrenzy]

Thanks everyone for the kind welcome. FP: I knew they weren't the classic pillar dollars with the two hemispheres between the pillars but I wouldn't have known to call them bust dollars, it's good know.

I'm thinking about having one or two of the better ones graded since I'm sending off a couple type 2 sovereigns anyway but I'm not so sure that any of them are worth it. The pictures seem to highlight every little problem and I think they look good to the eye but if they were yours would you bother with even the best one or two pictured?

I saw a real holey dollar at monetarium the other day, I don't think I'll ever own one but it's a real thrill to see history so solidified in one place.

Are there good records of which gold and silver coins were most common in this period?  Would one or two of each have been the most common or would it be a real pick and mix with people just trading on the bullion value of whatever they had to hand?  I was genuinely surprised when I first saw Indian coins mentioned as being used but were they as common as British or Spanish coins?

[trout]

Are there good records of which gold and silver coins were most common in this period? Would one or two of each have been the most common or would it be a real pick and mix with people just trading on the bullion value of whatever they had to hand? I was genuinely surprised when I first saw Indian coins mentioned as being used but were they as common as British or Spanish coins?

:welcome:
 to the forum
Not much is written about Proclamation/Colonial coinage that I can find  But I heard that Markin did a lot of work with these coin types.
I am also an avid collector of these types of coins and do truly enjoy the learning curve associated with collecting these.

Great coins and an awesome first post, Well done Mate

[markn]

I'm thinking about having one or two of the better ones graded since I'm sending off a couple type 2 sovereigns anyway but I'm not so sure that any of them are worth it. The pictures seem to highlight every little problem and I think they look good to the eye but if they were yours would you bother with even the best one or two pictured?

I wouldn't send any of them.  They are beautiful but all apart from the first one have some sort of corrosion or surface adhesions.  Perhaps the are shipwreck coins, or perhaps sometime in the last 250 years they weren't stored well.  The first one looks cleaned.  In any event, I don't think they'd grade at NGC or PCGS.

[markn]

Are there good records of which gold and silver coins were most common in this period?  Would one or two of each have been the most common or would it be a real pick and mix with people just trading on the bullion value of whatever they had to hand?  I was genuinely surprised when I first saw Indian coins mentioned as being used but were they as common as British or Spanish coins?

No good records, and further research needs to be carried out.  Andrew Crellin has a good article on his site and I found this quote on Trove a few years back.  It's from The Hobart Town Courier, 27 June 1829:

in addition a caution is necessary as to the various sil-
ver coins now in circulation amongst us. Besides
the Spanish dollars, half dollars and quarters, there
is a variety of other French, South American and
German coins, nearly of the some size, but generally
of inferior value which are apt to be passed for the
same. We are happy to learn that a new and elegant
coinage of dollars is now issuing from the mint at
Mexico, which will speedily find their way hither.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4215884?searchTerm=%22german%20coin%22&searchLimits=l-state=Tasmania|||sortby=dateAsc

[Nevol]

:welcome: to the forum phrenzy! :yahoo:

[phrenzy]

Thanks again for the warm welcome everybody.

Regarding the popularity of coins used at the time do you think you could get results from looking at bookkeeping records or would contemporary records be non specific which accrual coins were used and only record gold and sliver weights?  

Another question: does proclamation coinage cover anything in circulation up to the time of the Adelaide pound or type 1 Sydney sovereign, or would it normally stop at the introduction of British coins introduced for common circulation ?

[duggee27]

this weeks showing



1793 Gulden neth. utrecht pcgs ms64

[Unicorn]

Some top class coins you've been posting Duggee!
(5 numbers and the Powerball?)