Ebay fakes

[markn]

@Ozcoins.
I honestly think that the best images to use are the ones the shysters put up on eBay.
I would not only use the images I would also use quotes of what they put in the descriptions as well.
As your article is about these shed job errors and I think how to spot/avoid  them, Then using the images the sellers do and pointing out why the coins are indeed not errors would be highly educational.
I am pretty sure that someone carrying out one of these scams would not want to make it public knowledge that the images of these fake errors are a part of one of their shonky listings by making waves about a copyright infringement :diablo:

We will not publish images from eBay listings on our blog without permission of the lister of the item.  I doubt any reputable publication would.

[trout]

We will not publish images from eBay listings on our blog without permission of the lister of the item. I doubt any reputable publication would.

Fair enough
I only have access to a small woodwork vice so I can't assist with any images

[Nevol]

I've had a good look at this latest seller's feedback, and I think he is very new to this aspect of the so called 'error' coins.  He has probably been taken for a ride also, I hope he's kept a record of his source.

It's possible he may refund the buyer's of the previous 3 items once he is certain about their origins. He's got a good reputation and may not want to have any blemishes on it.

[Ozcoins]

Fulvio,
I agree completely with your 1 sentence explanation and your "virtually impossible sequence of events" description earlier.
They absolutely should be all that is required,  however, if those explanations to a professional dealer are somehow not enough, then they are very unlikely to be effective for the majority of hobby collectors.
My idea is for something that everyone will easily understand.
I would like to include something in the article like the "virtually impossible sequence of events" that you posted,  would you mind and/or like to be credited?
Also, what do people think would show the difference between a coin created by the "virtually impossible sequence of events" (if it actually happened either through shear luck, or mint sport), and a "shed job"?

[markn]

Ozcoins, here's what I wrote to an auction house a few years back who had some of these "errors" listed.

Each of the coins show signs of an original striking and then a second incuse striking on both sides.  If we assume that the coins are genuine then there's really only two ways this could happen:
 
1.    A coin is struck and then stays in the coining chamber while two more already struck coins enter the coining chamber and then the three are struck together and the incuse "brockage" strike is formed.
2.   A coin is struck and makes its way through the press and somehow gets back into the blank hopper and is run through the press again at the same time as there happens to be a capped obverse and reverse die and this is how the "brockage" strikes are formed.
 
That chain of events is so incredibly un-likely as to be ridiculous.  A further giveaway is that the second "strike" on these errors is usually very weak, which is very different to real brockages/multiple struck coins.  Indicating that the second "strike" was done on something other than a coin press.

[Fulvio]

would you mind and/or like to be credited?

Everything I write is available for others to use. My words are intended to educate and/or entertain (me or others), not to profit from. If people want to credit me, that's fine too. :angel:

Also, what do people think would show the difference between a coin created by the "virtually impossible sequence of events" (if it actually happened either through shear luck, or mint sport), and a "shed job"?

Excellent question.

Lets leave aside mint sports, because they're really just a type of shed job, only in a bigger shed with much better tools.

A coin that was double struck would have both strikes raised, not incused. Like so:



If a second planchet was involved, then it would look something like this:



Note that the second planchet would flatten the design from the first strike. Note also that these must always be out of collar for the second strike, and there will be deformation. The metal will flow wherever it can.

What you won't see is a perfectly round coin. Or one with an incused reverse image. Or one with a 'doubled' image on both sides. :dodgy:

[runway]

Look at this idiot
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2006-20c-Cent-Specimen-Wedding-Strike-Triple-Struck-/302093884525?

[Basil]

I spent the morning going thru. old Books & Magazines but couldn't find anything but there was a glut of similar errors in the late 1960's to cash in on the naivety of new Collectors,there should be a stockpile of these dated 1966+ around somewhere.
IIRC they were done on a Press,a modified version of one that you would find in a Automotive or Engineering workshop,i'll keep looking to try and find the articles i read on them.

[trout]

Look at this idiot
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2006-20c-Cent-Specimen-Wedding-Strike-Triple-Struck-/302093884525?

To me that is nothing like a wedding set coin :dodgy:
Feel Free to use these images OC, This is my "Error" and my images  :ok:
This took less that a second to create without using a vice or any other sophisticated equipment :diablo: :angel:
Anyone want to buy this piece of garbage???
Only $99.99 :diablo::dodgy::laugh2:

[Unicorn]

I knew the Troutshed Mint would come up with the goodies!!! Top stuff!!! :good:

[robbiegal]

wow
that looks great!!
i am very impressed  

i reckon step by step photos would be TOPS

[trout]

wow
that looks great!!
i am very impressed  

i reckon step by step photos would be TOPS

Can't do it RG, It's one of the AJ/Trout Mints trade secrets Mate. :laugh2:

[JeffH]

I don't think you would have to ponder for too long to work out how to do that. Just be prepared to sacrifice a few other coins.
Does look quite impressive. I can't wait to see how much they fetch on eBay. :taunt:

[trout]

I have a Well on the property that these sort of things end up swimming in

[Fulvio]

That's gonna drive future archaeologists nuts.