2016 Australian Olympic Team Coin Program and partnership with Woolworths

[Fulvio]

There IS a bit of a stench surrounding these rolls :angel:

OK, so, I'm finally off the phone, having ordered $355 of these things that Ron will deliver here Monday. I'll also catch up with him at the ANDA show on the weekend as well.

The story is, the rolls are being done by a big name supplier who he can't name yet, but whose name WILL be on the rolls. They bought the equipment to roll these up, and are trying to recover the cost obviously. We both agreed the price is too steep in our opinions, but the customers seem to disagree, and they're selling like hotcakes.

WHERE they're coming from exactly is a little debatable. What the mint told me, what they told him and what appears to be happening doesn't seem to quite line up. MY guess is that because of the production problems with the cards, which they have stopped producing apparently, they are selling off the loose coins, which this supplier has scored and is building this new business on the back of. But that's conjecture.

Anyway, the deal IS legit. They are NOT RAM rolls, and nobody said they were. They will be clearly labelled as to manufacture, and will be numbered and sealed with a hologram. They will also be guaranteed to be either T-T or H-T, as they are being rolled in batches and any H-H are being opened and re-rolled. Most customers are ordering sets, and judging from the sounds coming from the computer in the background, the orders are rolling in thick and fast.

There was a browser problem with the machine I tried to log in on at first, and his IT guy came on the line and tried to deal with it. Don't know yet if its fixable, but from a customer relations point of view, 10/10 for sure!

As I said, Ron is a member here, and has been a collector for many years. I suggested that he should say hi, and also that he should post pics of a 1967 20¢/4¢ stamp PNC he has that he can't identify. I know you lot probably know the answer after all.

BTW, note the MS65 Coronation and the VF30 Wavy 2 on the site. Both of which are interesting, and IMO reasonably priced as well.

Now, as to Trout's line about rolling RAM coins and delivering to banks... sorry, but this is BS.

The mint supplies two forms of coin. Mint bags, in sacks, to Armaguard and from there to Toll. And 44-Gal drums, to Prosegur and Armaguard Brisbane for rolling. Neither of which are producing these rolls. Nobody rolls coins for the RAM to deliver to banks. The only rolls the RAM have done were for sale to/through dealers, and we already know all about those, right? :angel:

[brismike]

Interesting observation on the green coin.

At 1900 is shown what I suspect is the Modern Pentathlon which is made up of:

- horse riding
- fencing
- pistol shooting
- swimming, and
- running

However, the green $2 shows rifle shooting and an unclear fencing/pistol event.

Can anyone else comment?

The green $2 coin has a depiction of Six Olympic Sports, Taekwondo, Rowing, Boxing, Modern Pentathlon, Diving & Handball.

Cheers Mike

[Fulvio]

Try this:

That header related to the RAM rolls and bags on the page. The business has been going for a couple of years, and these olympic coins are pre-orders at this stage.

If you think the description is misleading, email him and say so, and I'm sure they'll fix it.

[robbiegal]

i'm afraid that by this point in time I am where Nevol was to start with

the whole business is beginning to disgust moi

it's taken me a while but right here, right now, I am over the RAM mint hype

they aimed to outdo Perth Mint and they have achieved it very successfully
but now, they are in the pockets of what I suspect are unscrupulous dealer/s

and i find it abhorrent

i may not be someone who is always on the phone or the email lines
but I will certainly be having a conversation

will do little but i will feel better for it

i will be letting my odd and sods collection of RAM products go
i won't be collecting their stuff anymore  
this is the final straw for me

[Comm Coinage]

Try this:

That header related to the RAM rolls and bags on the page. The business has been going for a couple of years, and these olympic coins are pre-orders at this stage.

If you think the description is misleading, email him and say so, and I'm sure they'll fix it.

Hi, just you to let you know we have changed the category header as this is the first time we have offered this sort of product and didn't realise what the Category Header Read, but the description is correct on the product listing.

[Fulvio]

Hi, just you to let you know we have changed the category header as this is the first time we have offered this sort of product and didn't realise what the Category Header Read, but the description is correct on the product listing.

Thanks for being on the ball with that, Ron.

Oh, and even though you've been a member for a while, Welcome to the forum! :wavemulticolor:

PS: Check your email/voicemail. I need a 5-coin set for my mate.

this is the final straw for me

Heh, it took you a while, but you finally came over to the Dark Side, eh RG? Life is so much sweeter (and cheaper) here in Granny-Bait-Free Land!

[robbiegal]

ok
so what do have here
a 'new member' member who is dealer?
are we all just being taken for fools here or is it just me???

Hi, just you to let you know we have changed the category header as this is the first time we have offered this sort of product and didn't realise what the Category Header Read, but the description is correct on the product listing.

Thanks for being on the ball with that, Ron.

Oh, and even though you've been a member for a while, Welcome to the forum! :wavemulticolor:

PS: Check your email/voicemail. I need a 5-coin set for my mate.

this is the final straw for me

Heh, it took you a while, but you finally came over to the Dark Side, eh RG? Life is so much sweeter (and cheaper) here in Granny-Bait-Free Land!

WTF are you talking about here Fulvio???

[SULLA]

The issue here is not the "private" rolling of the coins, but how such a large number of coins has been acquired considering the distribution arrangement betweeb RAMINT and Woolworths.

Edited to remove a persons private details.

[Fulvio]

are we all just being taken for fools here or is it just me???

Nope. Its not that hard to follow.

A collector starts a business and joins the forum. Then doesn't do anything for ages. Then we notice his business, do some investigating and invite him here. His computer says he already has an account and he logs in. No great mystery, RG.

We have many dealers here, after all. And many more members who are de-facto virtual dealers as well. How does that have anything to do with "being taken for fools"??

WTF are you talking about here Fulvio???

Only that it took you a while to give up on granny bait, that's all. Most of us saw the light years ago, remember?

[robbiegal]

hang on
aren't you promoting the sale of the coloured rolls for the $900 ??
if you spend half your current life collecting coloured coins and loading  them into plastic buckets
is that granny bait or am i living in a bubble???

[ausjack]

The story is, the rolls are being done by a big name supplier who he can't name yet, but whose name WILL be on the rolls. They bought the equipment to roll these up, and are trying to recover the cost obviously. We both agreed the price is too steep in our opinions, but the customers seem to disagree, and they're selling like hotcakes.

WHERE they're coming from exactly is a little debatable. What the mint told me, what they told him and what appears to be happening doesn't seem to quite line up. MY guess is that because of the production problems with the cards, which they have stopped producing apparently, they are selling off the loose coins, which this supplier has scored and is building this new business on the back of. But that's conjecture.

Anyway, the deal IS legit. They are NOT RAM rolls, and nobody said they were. They will be clearly labelled as to manufacture, and will be numbered and sealed with a hologram. They will also be guaranteed to be either T-T or H-T, as they are being rolled in batches and any H-H are being opened and re-rolled. Most customers are ordering sets, and judging from the sounds coming from the computer in the background, the orders are rolling in thick and fast.

There was a browser problem with the machine I tried to log in on at first, and his IT guy came on the line and tried to deal with it. Don't know yet if its fixable, but from a customer relations point of view, 10/10 for sure!

As I said, Ron is a member here, and has been a collector for many years. I suggested that he should say hi, and also that he should post pics of a 1967 20¢/4¢ stamp PNC he has that he can't identify. I know you lot probably know the answer after all.

BTW, note the MS65 Coronation and the VF30 Wavy 2 on the site. Both of which are interesting, and IMO reasonably priced as well.

Now, as to Trout's line about rolling RAM coins and delivering to banks... sorry, but this is BS.

The mint supplies two forms of coin. Mint bags, in sacks, to Armaguard and from there to Toll. And 44-Gal drums, to Prosegur and Armaguard Brisbane for rolling. Neither of which are producing these rolls. Nobody rolls coins for the RAM to deliver to banks. The only rolls the RAM have done were for sale to/through dealers, and we already know all about those, right? :angel:

:dodgy: Something just doesn't sound right about this and especially when it's a big name supplier but names can't be mentioned but then name is on the rolls but can't say exactly where they're coming from etc etc :scratch_one-s_head:
 
Personally I think it's very misleading advertising to say the least and makes it sound like they are Government RAM roll but they aren't as the RAM doesn't do rolls anymore (well that's what they reckon) so in reality there's no guarantee you'll get 100% the coins stated as we all know rolls from security companies can have anything in them including foreign coins so I'd be very careful as it sounds pretty dubious and like they say if it sounds too good to be true than it usually is and I still think pre-orders should be illegal as there's also no guarantee with them either and then you have to try and get your money back and that's often easier said than done :dash1:

:shock: Jesus, I'm gonna get my wavy's slabbed, so I'll put you down for one or two Fulvio :winkextra: I'll have to see if I can find more now :angel:

[robbiegal]

WTF is this then???
The story is, the rolls are being done by a big name supplier who he can't name yet, but whose name WILL be on the rolls. They bought the equipment to roll these up, and are trying to recover the cost obviously. We both agreed the price is too steep in our opinions, but the customers seem to disagree, and they're selling like hotcakes

You are promoting this Fulvio while claiming to be an objective bystander  
I am afraid that if you can't dazzle them with brilliance
you can at least try to baffle them with bull mate
and at this moment in time I reckon you are bloody well full of it  


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[ausjack]

This bit on the "title" page is what makes it seem deceiving.
MINT ROLLS & SECURITY BAGS There are 19 products.
Coins in Mint Rolls issued by the Royal Australian Mint
Coins in Mint Rolls also Issued by Security and Private Companies (see Product Listing)
Security Bags issued by Security Companies from coins supplied from the Royal Australian Mint

[SULLA]

Cotton and Co is the supplier of these rolls according to RB.

Did CandC purchase hundreds / thousands of the 5 coin albums from RAMINT and break them apart or did CandC have an alternative means of acquiring such huge numbers of coins from AG or WOW?

[trout]

Now, as to Trout's line about rolling RAM coins and delivering to banks... sorry, but this is BS.

What part of where armguard or like companies take Bulk new coinage and roll them for Banks is BS Fulvio

WHERE they're coming from exactly is a little debatable. What the mint told me, what they told him and what appears to be happening doesn't seem to quite line up. MY guess is that because of the production problems with the cards, which they have stopped producing apparently, they are selling off the loose coins, which this supplier has scored and is building this new business on the back of. But that's conjecture.

WTF is all that Gobbly Gook about ??
The only one coming up with a line of BS here is yourself and your new found Mate that is "Profiteering" with these blasted coloured $2 coins.
Be careful lying with dogs because inevitably you will end up catching fleas :angel: