Fake Or Genuine

[Goldseeker]

I just found this one on ebay.   Question is:   Fake or Genuine?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1930-Penny-VERY-RARE-Genuine-1930-Australian-Penny/272258506473?_trksid=p2047675.c100013.m1986&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107112811%26meid%3D70f1e5bccc7849fcb1006dc591901f98%26pid%3D100013%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D30%26sd%3D201593820563

[Basil]

I saw that coin last night,first instinct was the top of the '0' was too high and i've never seen a natural pitted/damage Obverse blank on a 1930 before.The other worry is he would have genuine documentation if genuine and purchased from a dealer,surely he would  provide that in the sale.
I'll do a side by side comparison when i get back home later in the week but at the moment i'll leave it to the experts.
It reminds me of the Coin Dealer that we had for a Period a week way back at High School,he impressed upon us  the number of fakes out there even in those days,late 1960's.He assumed all 1923's presented to him to buy were fakes and if he did buy one paid by cheque which gave him 5(i think in that era to clear) days to cancel sale.

[ausproofs]

I am sure thats a fake... 1930 looks odd  .

[echidna]

There is a marker on all genuine 1930 pennies.
In this case the pics are not good enough to see it.
Plus it doesnt look right.
Plus "No Returns Accepted"
Doesnt sound too good.
But you could take a chance with a low bid.

[JeffH]

A good rule of thumb is "if a 1930 penny is listed on eBay it is a fake". 1923 halfpennies may also be subject to that rule too.
I am suspicious of the '0' in the date -altered from another year?

[Goldseeker]

For echidna:-   What marker are you talking about?

[runway]

Of course it's a fake and report this grub to eBay

[autocoupler]

The coin appears to exhibit an Indian obverse and a London reverse, which certainly narrows the odds in the positive, and the date numerals all look to be in the proper alignment and font. Has there been alterations to the date? Doesn't look like it to me, but what would I know :dodgy: Check out what EMU666 thinks http://www.thesandpit.net/index.php?option=1930_penny

[wwwww]

The 1930 is an overdate of a 192x. There's a 2 that sticks out of the top tip of the 3 on all genuine 1930 pennies (even the proofs). The photos in this case aren't clear enough to make it out.

[r9453]

It says:

Originally purchased from ANDA Dealer Edlins.
Purchases as Reverse side VF, Obverse poor.

*Inspections welcomed*

(Located in Melbourne)
I never knew the 1930 was an 192x over-date. The image of the date provided seems pretty clear:

[Fulvio]

*Inspections welcomed*

(Located in Melbourne)

Well, we happen to know someone in Melbourne who has a couple of real ones for comparison, don't we? All we need to add is a USB scope, and Bob's your Auntie! Oh, look what I have here by my elbow...

[Nevol]

I did this comparison of the Ebay coin and the one on the Perth Mint site, and I have to say the date looks OK to me, but hey, I'm certainly no expert, so please don't quote me.

I lined up the scrolls, then the top of the Dots, then the top of the 0 with the top of the 9.  I don't see any evidence of a two under the three on the Pert Mint coin.

[Basil]

There are a couple of markers,green circles,on the Perth coin i haven't noticed before on a 1930 but its a coin i've never worried about over the years.
Not good enough image on the Perth coin to enlarge date but there seems to be some sort of a marker under the top loop of the 3.

[nealeffendi]

Surely the easiest way to confirm if this penny is genuine is to drop a line to Edlins. I'm sure most dealers would remember if they sold a 1930 with a pitted obverse.

[wwwww]

I never knew the 1930 was an 192x over-date. The image of the date provided seems pretty clear:

Not many people seem to know this, the only published reference I can find was by Sharples in the NAA Journal back in the early 90s which had some pretty clear zoomed up photos of the Melbourne proof.

He did note that it wasn't always visible on business strikes though I'm yet to encounter an example which doesn't at least have the top-end of the two coming out of the top arch of the 3 (except of course if too worn/damaged).