Fake Or Genuine

[Basil]

Downie's  $100,000 Coin on left(first) and Ebay on right.The left bit of the lower scroll is missing on the Ebay Coin,i haven't seen that on a 1930 before.
Below is a close up of the date on the Downie coin,looks like a prong coming out of the first loop of the 3.

Surely the easiest way to confirm if this penny is genuine is to drop a line to Edlins. I'm sure most dealers would remember if they sold a 1930 with a pitted obverse.

Yeah,perhaps Fulvio can ask to see paper work if he has the time to follow it up further.


This is a close up of the date on a Proof  Coin,can't see prong on 3 on this thou.

[wwwww]

I used to own that Downies coin and it shows a very prominent prong (it's a very early business strike), a nice 8 pearler and in my opinion the finest known (the two Ex-Nugent coins were problem AUs).

The angle of that photo of that proof has the date closer to the coin than the top so it won't be clear (as the prong sticks out of the bottom). It's clearer in the MV proof:

[r9453]

Not many people seem to know this, the only published reference I can find was by Sharples in the NAA Journal back in the early 90s which had some pretty clear zoomed up photos of the Melbourne proof.

Journal of the Numismatic Association of Australia Vol. 21 Article 1



Figure 9. Overdate (AGSA1).

AGSA = Art Gallery of S.A.

[nealeffendi]

That tiny marker is useful, but how can they determine that it is a remnant of a 2 and not some random tiny defect? Too many guesses/suppositions seem to be made about possible overdates.

[Basil]

That marker(from article link) on the denticles over the 'ÓF' is interesting,something else to look for.

[robbiegal]

edlins do issue certificates of authentication as well

even if it's a oddly fully corroded obverse  on one side but with an almost perfect set of 1930 numerals in the date on the reverse

it's not quite right in my books

[Basil]

I agree,something not quiet correct with the coin,if it is a fake then its a good one.
Edlins is the key but why didn't the seller provide documentation and Provenance.
A couple of things worry me,to me the zero is slightly out of place but looks the correct shape.
Also i can't remember a 1930 with the left tip of the lower scroll missing,thats a 1920's trait.
I intend to buy a 1930 before i die so extremely interested in what the experts have to say.

Edit...no way Ebay RG,i'll get one from a Dealer or Auction House where its authenticity is guaranteed.

Its a bit easier with this one....sigh
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1930-Penny-Grade-F-Fine-lot-09069-Ex-Shop-Liquidation-1930-Australian-Penny-/222139742202?hash=item33b88f77fa:g:pxYAAOSwmtJXURBZ

[robbiegal]

we have abought a couple of the rarer coins from edlins and got certificates from them (did make the request though)

the cert includes a photo of the coin as well

Basil good luck with your search
although I wouldn't recommend ebay as a reliable source for such a rarity
here's another one!!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1930-Penny-Grade-F-Fine-lot-09069-Ex-Shop-Liquidation-1930-Australian-Penny-/222139742202?hash=item33b88f77fa:g:pxYAAOSwmtJXURBZ

[Goldseeker]

I own two each of the 1930 penny, 1923 halfpenny and the 1921/22 overprint threepence and only the pennies came with a letter of certification as both these coins were bought from Belinda Downie of Coinworks.

I have again had one of each certified by the RAM before they stopped certifying coins several years ago.

The remaining two coins were purchased from reputable dealers and upon receipt were taken to two separate coin dealers and they certified them verbally as being genuine.

I think anyone that is about to purchase any high value coin must ask for a guarantee in writing that the coin is genuine otherwise leave it alone.

As regards to this particular one that this discussion is all about, I am not sure that I would purchase it.

[runway]

Seller is willing to let people view this from Frankston apparently from my contact

[runway]

I own two each of the 1930 penny, 1923 halfpenny and the 1921/22 overprint threepence and only the pennies came with a letter of certification as both these coins were bought from Belinda Downie of Coinworks.

I have again had one of each certified by the RAM before they stopped certifying coins several years ago.

The remaining two coins were purchased from reputable dealers and upon receipt were taken to two separate coin dealers and they certified them verbally as being genuine.

I think anyone that is about to purchase any high value coin must ask for a guarantee in writing that the coin is genuine otherwise leave it alone.

As regards to this particular one that this discussion is all about, I am not sure that I would purchase it.

Steer clear of this one too suss for my liking
eBay is not the place to sell 1930 pennies :idea::dodgy:

[Basil]

Steer clear of this one too suss for my liking
eBay is not the place to sell 1930 pennies :idea::dodgy:

I agree,its just an interest to me if its a fake or not,i've got a genuine 1930 on my Bucket list but there is no hurry(i hope).
I posted about this on CCF a couple of years ago,lowlife was selling 1923's via Herald/Age/Courier mail back in the 1960's when the market was hot after all the Decimal hoopla.They had certificate's of Authenticity from a major dealer,the original certificate was genuine but for a different coin,he just copied it for his fakes.Often he would advertise a coin,say Unc 1915 shilling or Unc 1925 Penny,at a extremely low price,when the mark rang he would say it was sold but then go into a spiel about the 'genuine' 1923 he had 'çheap'.All the above Info.was from a Dealer(period a week at School one) who was asked by Police to verify some of the coins so i assume its correct.
Anyway point being that was 50 years ago,i assume the smarties are a lot more sophisticated these days.

[echidna]

It appears that this same coin was if fact sold through Edlins.
However EVEN if it was genuine I would not value it at more than $3000.
It just too horrible to look at.

[r9453]

Sold for $7,610 (99 bids) inc. postage.

[nealeffendi]

Sold for $7,610 (99 bids) inc. postage.

Yuk!
For that kind of money you could buy an uncirculated 1932 florin or a choice uncirculated 1933 florin. They would give you bragging rights but that pitted disaster would just get you pity.