Changes to PCGS Set Registry Australian Penny Sets

[autocoupler]

Then go to Lever he only has the main die varieties listed. Maybe the odd dot like the 1937 crown.

I have a copy of Fred's book in front of me. He has five pages devoted to pennies with about 30 - 40 coins on each page.

EDIT: In the accompanying CD there is a PDF called "04 First listing of Penny varieties 2005" which lists 161 coins.

I reckon Fred Levers contribution is as close as it gets, so far as having a broad coverage of information in the one place, however IMO there is a need for supplementary information and explanations for some entries.

What about the 1930 English? It is in the population report but not in the registry. Same with the '53 large denticle florin, the 1926 serif sixpence and the 1916 halfpenny mule. Also nothing for the 1922 wide date pennies or the '46 big 6 florin and what about the date variety pennies of 1955-57?

I thought originally 1930 English was listed, but then removed. Hopefully eventually all will be included, also, whilst PCGS reference Renniks, I suspect they are also bouncing off certain individuals in Australia.

[r9453]

I've been doing some work on parsing Fred's penny list. Below is a small number of coins from the list which shows the type of data that has been collated.

[echidna]

Interesting to think what the Penny set would look like if DDOs and DDRs were included...
There are a number of these in the penny series.

These seem to be popular with US collectors and are considered major varieties by PCGS.

Not popular with Aussie collectors now but perhaps worth looking out for.

[autocoupler]

I've been doing some work on parsing Fred's penny list. Below is a small number of coins from the list which shows the type of data that has been collated.

Trying to be constructive, but when looking at the above table, the first thing that jumps out is a requirement for further description for some of the entries, and serves to reinforce the difficulty that new entrants in the hobby must face.

The first entry refers to a digit that leans left, there is a dot somewhere we must consider, and there is no serif (but where or on what). A list like this obviously presumes the reader has extended knowledge that will allow them to comprehend and digest the information. A couple of the other entries suffer from a similar lack of detail; and certainly not trying to demean Freds work, but the second entry is a little misinformative in that the Perth penny which displays the right tilted 2 does display a pointed serif on the foot of the 2, albeit slightly different to that on the level 2 variety.

Just trying to point out that various entries will require extended descriptions if the common goal is to produce a table that is easily discernable for collectors at all levels. A lot of work I reckon.

[robbiegal]

I have never seen a double nose 1960 penny!
and a large dot is not what i'd consider as a variety I think it is an error

[trout]

Not all collectors are interested in 1d varieties and there isn't a set for just the circulation strikes without varieties, So maybe if a standard set was available then more collectors would get involved.
I would worry about that before making the circ set with varieties any bigger :ok:

[autocoupler]

I think the main goal here is an attempt at putting together a table of circulation pennies which includes accepted major varieties that is easily discernable to all collectors. As often happens, it can become difficult when the intention is only to include a selected group, because opinions and preferences vary.

As far as the PCGS registry goes, as said earlier, the 1956Y. (P) penny with Melbourne obverse is a glaring omission IMO. Another logical thing for PCGS to do, is to create a set for varieties only.

[trout]

Maybe some more "lobbying" PCGS is required to include the other varieties.
The only success with  this that I have had is for the 2000 incused 50c any other attempt at my lobbying  PCGS has been a dismal failure

[r9453]

Not popular with Aussie collectors now but perhaps worth looking out for.

Indeed, I had to look them up, DDO = Doubled Die Obverse and DDR = Doubled Die Reverse. There seems to be more interest in misplaced date numerals or errant dots.

EDIT: The topic of this thread concerns a 3D but the principle is the same;

https://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=2242

[nealeffendi]

Interesting to think what the Penny set would look like if DDOs and DDRs were included...
There are a number of these in the penny series.

These seem to be popular with US collectors and are considered major varieties by PCGS.

Not popular with Aussie collectors now but perhaps worth looking out for.

DDOs and DDRs should not be included in the main set. There are far too many and outside the most spectacular most can only be observed with a loupe. Still you can add them to your showcases (I have a MS64RB double nose queen in mine).

[r9453]

Just trying to point out that various entries will require extended descriptions if the common goal is to produce a table that is easily discernable for collectors at all levels. A lot of work I reckon.

I agree, a spreadsheet is not going to be enough but it's a start. It's interesting that six columns are required to incorporate the good work of Holland, Dean, Foster, Mos, Clarke and Renniks. To that group I would add Jon Saxton who most collectors like me refer to at first thanks to his triton.vg website.

Some of those names I am not familiar with but it's a worthy effort to include them since they have all done good work on the subject. It must be difficult for anyone starting out to come to grips with all the different references schemes.

I should point out that Fred's book includes pictures and additional information. All I did was latch onto his table as a starting point to itemise the coins that are in play for this discussion.

[autocoupler]

I have never seen a double nose 1960 penny!
and a large dot is not what i'd consider as a variety I think it is an error

Somewhere along the way I seem to remember seeing a double nose other than the 62. Will try and dig it out.

[robbiegal]

yes please!!!

[autocoupler]

It's not the flashest one you ever saw, but I put it in Fridays photos.

[r9453]

The 1956Y w/ Melbourne obverse has made it into the penny set:



The number of coins required to complete the set is now back up to 95. It was 94 for a little while after one of the 1925 varieties was removed.

https://www.pcgs.com/SetRegistry/australian-commonwealth/sterling-coinage/australian-pennies-complete-set-major-varieties-circulation-strikes-1911-1964/composition/2278