Proclamation Coins

[trout]

Jeez, a colonial Australian not obeying the law, what type of person did they send out here anyway?

:laugh2:

[markn]

While you are here Mark, is that penny I post a colonial coin or just some old pommy copper?

The 1806 coin?  I don't recall if it was a penny/halfpenny/farthing.  In any event I wouldn't have a problem calling it a colonial coin.

I've always been a bit confused about what constituted a "Proclamation coin" as I've interpreted it strictly as those appearing in the Table of Specie of the 19/11/1800 proclamation itself.  Undoubtedly there were other coins circulating but not mentioned and probably reflects Marks terminology of a "colonial coin" Vs a "Proclamation coin".  

That's the logic I use.  

I've spent the last little while looking for a reference to a large arrival of British copper into the colony of NSW not long after the holey dollars were minted in 1813 but I cannot find it.  But here's something interesting (and other coins you can add to the colonial coin list):

1. In 1829 "doubloons" or Spanish 2 escudo coins were circulating in Hobart.

2. 27 June 1829 in the Hobart Town Courier.  Austrian dollars (talers) were circulating in Hobart.

3. Rates of pay set by the NSW colonial government in 1825 for their soldiers included rates in French 5 Franc coins (equivalent to 4s) and US dollars (equivalent to 4s 4d).  Presumably if those coins were important enough to appear in a colonial minute then they were present in the colony.

[Steveqld]

Another I picked up some time ago.  At least I knew what this one was.

[trout]

Another I picked up some time ago.  At least I knew what this one was.

Nice one Mate, Most of these had a pretty hard time of it ,
This one looks great :good:

[markn]

Here's a direct quote from the Hobart Town Courier, 27 June 1829.

"In additional a caution is necessary as to the various silver coins now in circulation amongst us.  Besides the Spanish dollars, half dollars and quarters, there is a variety of other French, South American, and German coins, nearly of the same size, but generally of inferior value, which are apt to be passed for the same".

And the Hobart Town Courier, 11 July 1829.

"A species of coin, hitherto not very common amongst us, known the the name of the Austrian dollar, had lately been imported, we believe in some numbers. ..... indeed it passes in equal currency and in equal value with the Spanish dollar all over Europe."

[trout]

Here's a direct quote from the Hobart Town Courier, 27 June 1829.

"In additional a caution is necessary as to the various silver coins now in circulation amongst us.  Besides the Spanish dollars, half dollars and quarters, there is a variety of other French, South American, and German coins, nearly of the same size, but generally of inferior value, which are apt to be passed for the same".

It would have been an absolute nightmare running a pub back then with all the different coins  .

[robbiegal]

then you if throw in tokens, the monetary confusion gets worse

I think that was why rum was such a viable commodity for trade purposes (as well as recreation) - the value was fairly reliable and consistent

[Steveqld]

I've spent the last little while looking for a reference to a large arrival of British copper into the colony of NSW not long after the holey dollars were minted in 1813 but I cannot find it.  

Not sure if this helps with the reference you were looking for.  About 1812 Macquarie asked for the issue of 5000 pounds in copper to be issued at double face value however whilst Liverpool agreed, the request was never progressed.  It seems to have been the only significant request since King in 1803.

This is a free online version of the book "Foundations of the Australian Monetary System" from the University of Sydney.  The reference to the request is about page 88/89.

http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/ozlit/pdf/sup0003.pdf

[markn]

I've spent the last little while looking for a reference to a large arrival of British copper into the colony of NSW not long after the holey dollars were minted in 1813 but I cannot find it.  

Not sure if this helps with the reference you were looking for.  About 1812 Macquarie asked for the issue of 5000 pounds in copper to be issued at double face value however whilst Liverpool agreed, the request was never progressed.  It seems to have been the only significant request since King in 1803.

This is a free online version of the book "Foundations of the Australian Monetary System" from the University of Sydney.  The reference to the request is about page 88/89.

http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/ozlit/pdf/sup0003.pdf

Thanks Steve.  We have a good old-fashioned hard copy of that book.

[trout]

You Mob are great, I have learnt more about Proc coins in the last 24hrs than I ever knew before ( That wouldn't be too hard tho :blush:) :yahoo:

[black sheep]

Wow...that a ripper Cartwheel Steveqld

I just picked up this 1746 Lima mint Half crown.
Do you think its OK to call this a Proclamation coin ?

I kinda thought maybe yes, as they should have been still in circulation early 1800's (to anyone wealthy enough)

Happy collectin:winkextra:
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[trout]

from my "Limited" knowledge of Proclamation coins I would call this a "Colonial" coin.
George 2nd was most certainly an unfortunate looking bloke :angel:

[black sheep]

from my "Limited" knowledge of Proclamation coins I would call this a "Colonial" coin.
George 2nd was most certainly an unfortunate looking bloke :angel:

Yeah he got hit with the ugly stick alright..hehehehe.
Who cares if your the king of England but eh
Old Bullhead GIII was no model either:haha:

[Steveqld]

from my "Limited" knowledge of Proclamation coins I would call this a "Colonial" coin.
George 2nd was most certainly an unfortunate looking bloke :angel:

:yeah_what_she_said: but I'm also out of my depth.  Going by Mark's criteria it would be a Colonial Coin assuming it is one of the myriad of coins circulating at the time.

[black sheep]

Just going back to what Mark said about a large load of copper pennies from England.

I found a reference but it is before the year 1813 that Mark said.
...." in late 1800 The Porpoise arrived in Sydney Cove with almost 4 tons (550 pounds worth) of 1 ounce Cartwheel pennies struck by Matthew Boulton".

Taken from www.australianstamp.com/coin-web/aust/earlyas/proclmtn.htm

I know we desperately needed coin but perhaps the old Cartwheels were good ballast for the ships coming out here ? :blink: