The Rare Coin Company debacle

[Cockatoo Coins]

There are many people that don't have or like putting pic's of themselves on FB and two I can think of straight up are Belly and Peter Andrews but they're well known and I totally trust them as they're two of a very few that I buy off so matching pic's and licences doesn't sound right and honest people don't always like becoming well known and showing their licence to unknown entities that run these pages. I don't like having pic's of myself of FB so there's only one or two so does that make me bad or a criminal because I'm a bit reserved?? Most people on here and FB know who I am and once we're friends I don't mind but there's a lot of freaks out there that I don't want them to know who I am and I bet there's lots of other that think the same way :winkextra:

I completely understand that, just as admin what other means do we have of protecting our buyers from the less than reputable people that seem to plague the industry. This works and although it does upset a minority (probably 1 in 50 we message for ID declines) its not saying they are bad, they could just be security conscious but in the end we don't know who they are and for selling goods of varying values that becomes risky.
Its no different to the RSL club scanning your ID before allowing you in, you are not forced to but if you would like to come in its something you are required to do. Can always say no thanks and go to the pub

As for charity auctions there are only two allowed, salvos and the wells where money is paid direct to the charities not through anyone (now mostly conducted in a separate group) too many personal tragedies were coming up that were fake caused a full ban on all those a while back so that is no longer an issue

[ausjack]

Gee do they scan ID's at the club now, shows ho long it's been, long time between drink

Yes the scammers did a lot of damage and it put so many people off but them's the breaks I suppose. All you can do is try and not get caught out by them :winkextra:

[Basil]

That's one case that they might know of, what about the one's they don't because not everyone complains and if you know the right people getting a fake ID isn't really hard from what I hear.

Not FB AFAIK,but he may have hit there as well,but the guy selling non-existent Laptops on Ebay and GT  a few years back had over 80 alias and PayPal Accts.
How did he get the ID to open the Bank accts. for PayPal?,the Laptops were only a sideline ,god knows what his main goal/scam was.
The Police didn't get him,a IT consultant that had been scammed tracked him down and did all the Detective work,then the Police were called.

Quote..."Gee do they scan ID's at the club now, shows how long it's been, long time between drink"

Yeah AJ,if your not a member the machine takes your DL, scans it and spits out a temporary Membership card and returns your DL.
First one i saw was at Saints leagues around 2010 and Chatswood RSL the following year,probably everywhere now.

[Fulvio]

I'm pretty active in the /r/Dogecoin community on Reddit (and less so in many others there). There are groups there set up specifically as marketplaces, and I have to say that I'd prefer the platform to Facebook any day. For starters, while anyone can create fake accounts, every word you say becomes part of the permanent record which anyone can read through. Which makes it pretty easy to identify the scumbags, and also to pick out the brand-new fake accounts.

I've had more than a gutful of the bullshit on FB, and there is no way I'd ever join another coin group there. Given that in my opinion the best protection is not some admin who may or may not have your best interests at heart, but rather your own knowledge and experience, which are actively suppressed by said admins, that makes FB toxic for newbies.

[ausjack]

That's one case that they might know of, what about the one's they don't because not everyone complains and if you know the right people getting a fake ID isn't really hard from what I hear.

Not FB AFAIK,but he may have hit there as well,but the guy selling non-existent Laptops on Ebay and GT  a few years back had over 80 alias and PayPal Accts.
How did he get the ID to open the Bank accts. for PayPal?,the Laptops were only a sideline ,god knows what his main goal/scam was.
The Police didn't get him,a IT consultant that had been scammed tracked him down and did all the Detective work,then the Police were called.

Quote..."Gee do they scan ID's at the club now, shows how long it's been, long time between drink"

Yeah AJ,if your not a member the machine takes your DL, scans it and spits out a temporary Membership card and returns your DL.
First one i saw was at Saints leagues around 2010 and Chatswood RSL the following year,probably everywhere now.

Gee it's probably been 15 years since I last went to the club here so maybe they have them but then it does take a long time for technology to get here, same as new release coins :dodgy:

I'm pretty active in the /r/Dogecoin community on Reddit (and less so in many others there). There are groups there set up specifically as marketplaces, and I have to say that I'd prefer the platform to Facebook any day. For starters, while anyone can create fake accounts, every word you say becomes part of the permanent record which anyone can read through. Which makes it pretty easy to identify the scumbags, and also to pick out the brand-new fake accounts.

I've had more than a gutful of the bullshit on FB, and there is no way I'd ever join another coin group there. Given that in my opinion the best protection is not some admin who may or may not have your best interests at heart, but rather your own knowledge and experience, which are actively suppressed by said admins, that makes FB toxic for newbies.

:agreed:

[Cockatoo Coins]

Have to roll with the times, have quite a few ANDA dealers selling through facebook these days aswell as the majority of major ebay sellers also have a presence there. Still beats the old days where you bought a coin blind from a catalogue
Each to their own i guess but its quite a nice community there now and far from toxic, it has matured alot since the early days. The real toxic environment as we all know is the cleaned garbage still being sold to our newbies as ChUNC from "reputable" dealers, now that's a far bigger problem than the selling platform people are using.

[Fulvio]

Have to roll with the times

Not when you're officially a Grumpy Old Man, you don't. :angel:

[ausjack]

I just wish some of the sellers would take better pic's instead of being on one side of the room with the coin on the other and then saying "that's the best I can do" as some of the fuzzy spots they say is a coin could be anything.

Can we start a "grumpy old man's club"..sign me up

[Cockatoo Coins]

haha i wish some auction houses did that aswell, some of the photos you cant see surface preservation in the slightest and they expect you to pay thousands per coin based on them. They need to go for a trip to the states and have a chat to the heritage photographers. WOW they know how to treat a coin and make it look its best

[ausjack]

Yes and some of the auction houses don't even post a pic and expect people to bid :blink: Makes it hard as not everyone can get to viewings to see the coins in hand.
e.g http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/search/?sale=114&g=&q=&e=&p=2 you have to go half way down the second page before you see a pic instead of "image not available" :dash1:

[Fulvio]

Can we start a "grumpy old man's club"..sign me up

Too late:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1442754782629094/

[ausjack]

Doesn't mean we can't start our own :friends:

[stevo1962]

Doesn't mean we can't start our own :friends:

We already have one here

[autocoupler]

Doesn't mean we can't start our own :friends:

We already have one here

:laughingneqw::laughingneqw::laughingneqw::laughingneqw:

[trout]

Have to roll with the times

Not if it requires me to lower my expectations and have to mix in with the pond scum.:angel:
I think I will just stick to the Dealers I know and eBay thank you :ok: