Canberra Florins

[trout]

Keep working at it. I suggest a modest target for stage 1. Say to get to where there are only 1,999,000 you don't have.

HeHe
it has taken me more than 15 yrs to have what I have in my collection so far , So maybe another 15yrs

It took me soo many years to get one ! Thanks to Mr.T.... Every time I went for a coin , I became the under bidder to Mr.T:winkextra:

It just shows you have Great taste in Canberra's :good:

[ausproofs]

Keep working at it. I suggest a modest target for stage 1. Say to get to where there are only 1,999,000 you don't have.

HeHe
it has taken me more than 15 yrs to have what I have in my collection so far , So maybe another 15yrs

It took me soo many years to get one ! Thanks to Mr.T.... Every time I went for a coin , I became the under bidder to Mr.T:winkextra:

It just shows you have Great taste in Canberra's :good:

:yahoo: Yes I do.... One day I will get a pretty coins as one of yours :winkextra:

[trout]

Yes I do.... One day I will get a pretty coins as one of yours

There are many many coins out there that are as nice and nicer than what I have.
The trouble is that many dealers/sellers want Top money for pretty ordinary "Raw" coins and to be quite honest the majority of these dealers/sellers are pretty much "Clueless" at grading and picking up if a coin has been cleaned or not.
Finding genuine and uncleaned Canberra's at a reasonable price has become quite difficult as of late because many dealers/sellers expect "Bluesheet" ( PCGS-NGC graded coins) prices for their overgraded and often cleaned "Raw" offerings.
Even the uncleaned coins are priced "over the top".

Here are a few eBay listings to show what I am talking about :ok:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Australia-1927-Florin-2-George-V-Canberra-Silver-Uncirculated-/121825428162?hash=item1c5d5c82c2:g:CboAAOSwwE5WV~57
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927M-FLORIN-PARLIAMENT-HOUSE-AUSTRALIA-ONE-FLORIN-M31-1-/111688681796?hash=item1a012a0944:g:WbkAAOSwpdpVcrFD
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927C-Florin-choice-UNC-/291645592424?hash=item43e76e9368:g:QAkAAOSw7FRWUBys

Even some of the PCGS graded coins have some quite "Hopeful" pricings .

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927-Australian-Florin-PCGS-MS61-/261942625293?hash=item3cfcff440d:g:HMwAAOSwMmBVipd9
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Australia-1927-Florin-PCGS-MS62-Silver-Coin-Choice-Uncirculated-4-steps-Rare-/141946934168?hash=item210cb25398:g:RUYAAOSwPc9WuGRs

[r9453]

Even some of the PCGS graded coins have some quite "Hopeful" pricings .

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927-Australian-Florin-PCGS-MS61-/261942625293?hash=item3cfcff440d:g:HMwAAOSwMmBVipd9
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Australia-1927-Florin-PCGS-MS62-Silver-Coin-Choice-Uncirculated-4-steps-Rare-/141946934168?hash=item210cb25398:g:RUYAAOSwPc9WuGRs

Those two are crazy optimistic considering the three MS64 examples ($200 - $230) I mentioned a couple of days ago.

I get the impression that some people think/hope there is a premium payable for commemorative coins in general and florins in particular.

[r9453]

Here is another (PCGS MS64):

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/301923603449

[Basil]

My ISP data resets tomorrow so i'll download these USB Microscope Pics. of  a 27 PH Florin that has severe 'polish' marks,only one i've seen this bad.I'll download scans of full Coin when i get it back from a Friend.

[r9453]

So, this die polishing, is it done to a new die? Or maybe a defective die with rust or some other problem. Would there be more coins like this one out there?

[Basil]

Its not something i've worried much about over the years but now i'm retired and have some spare time i've taken a new interest in Varieties. AFAIK its mainly done to worn dies but the Proof PH Florins had it done.
There was a long article on the Internet a few years ago about the practice of 'polishing' dies as regards the Oz. mints,just did a Google but it didn't show but i'll try and find the old link.
It mentioned that Mint Staff cleaned the muck out of Dies with wire brushes so certainly harsh,i guess the early coins after this process weren't released for general circulation other wise there would be Thousands out there.
There are guys on this Forum that would know more about that process than me so hopefully they will post their Info.

Edit...i couldn't find Oz. article but here are a couple that mention wire-brush 'polishing'.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2872359

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2153451

[r9453]

the early coins after this process weren't released for general circulation other wise there would be Thousands out there.

That's kind of what I thought at first but how many coins would a die have to strike in order to wear down the lines in those images you posted.

[Unicorn]

Great images Basil ....... you've got those closeups downpat!

[Basil]

Thanks Uni.,i've worked out how to get the whole Coin in focus so will post those Pics. when i get it back.I can never tell the difference between scratches & polish lines but i think they are polish lines on the 27 PH Florin,i had a good look and they seemed to be raised on this coin but i've sent it off to get a second opinion so see what happens.

the early coins after this process weren't released for general circulation other wise there would be Thousands out there.

That's kind of what I thought at first but how many coins would a die have to strike in order to wear down the lines in those images you posted.

Yeah,that makes sense at the pressure the Dies work at,as i said its not something i know much about,was never very interested in 'marked' coins of any sort.

[r9453]

This one is for sale on Facebook, described as aUnc, Scarce, $45. When asked if it was cleaned, the seller replied, "Not to my knowledge ... I bought it about 10 years ago from a coin dealer"

[Basil]

Proof with Polish lines clearly visible above óne'.Apparently these oblong shapes on left/right of Flagpole should have high detail as does the whole Building itself.

[trout]

Here are some of my newest acquisitions

An eBay purchase and quite a nice coin overall


Here is one of the  MS65 coins I recently bought off Eric.
Nice subtle toning.


Here is the other MS65 coin from Eric.
Fantastic strike and looks to be a borderline MS66 coin in an older type holder.

[Nevol]

Nice set of steps on the last one!