1922 3d .Overdate or what..??e

[emu666]

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Perhaps they switched between the hubs that Jon records between the 2 hubbing blows (do little threepences get 2 blows?).

We occasionally see hub doubling on threepences (such as that 1943 that turned up recently) so threepences must gte two blows.

[Basil]

I can hear the groans thru the keyboard but before i'm carted off to the Retirement Home i think my coin has a slightly different Obverse as i stated earlier.I looked at it thru a scope over the W/end and some of the letters seem misaligned(slight) compared to the 1922 egs i have.It may be the thickness of the letters or the manner of the strike but its different when you add the dots & strokes in as well.

If anyone in the Months ahead comes across an Obverse with similar marks could you please post pics/scans of both sides of the coin,i've been told the Melb. Mint were playing around with Dies early 1922(eg 21/22) so who knows what this Coin may be.

I will also have to post on CC down the track,i've been asked to provide links to this Thread by a couple of people so they can follow the opinions & Info. listed but apparently this is a closed Forum & links don't work.
 
Thanks to everyone for the posts/Info./Opinions  here so far.Also my line drawing on Scans is not the best but i guess you can see what i'm on about.

[gnome]

Must have missed this one, very interesting stuff. Think I've got a similar one or 3 as well , Basil. They're old pics from a few years back, nothing recently.

Can't find the coloured pics yet.

[gnome]

Got some new pics, see how we go with them.

[Basil]

Interesting G.,i still have the Coin(somewhere) but have lost interest and moved on,most people i showed it too reckon its a 3 under the 2 but until someone with credibility finds a similar Coin and investigates then puts something to paper its just another novelty Coin.

[gnome]

I had my suspicisions it may have been 1922/2/1. It may have been retooled a couple of times. This was one of mine that was on the backburner for a number of years as well. Just came across your thread last night, while having a poke around. But then again, could totally be off the mark entirely as usuall.
Have different pics of another similar one as well.

[Basil]

I'll have to find it and take some better Pics.,i have a improved USB Microsope now.
Going back to one of the original Pics. the red arrow points to what looks like a tiny rod like you would find in a watch whilst the green points to what looks like the lower section of a figure such as a 1-4-7 etc.Weird.

[gnome]

This was the second one in the series, still looking for the 3rd one at the moment.

[gnome]

Last pic,

[fred lever]

Hi Basil, just looking at the predecimal threads and saw this one re the threepence. I did a fair bit of research re the overdate 22/21 and the tooling used to create that and the dates either side some time ago. This does not directly answer your particular coin but gives some interesting facts regarding how the dies were created around then. Go back through your back issues of CAB, oh its last year!, June 2016 vol 19-05 not long ago at all and its an article wrapping the overdate up and explaining how it was made. Yes there was a lot of experimenting 1919 to 1921 when Melbourne were getting the hang of die and hub making and getting some consistency in the striking from year to year..
Your coin looks to me like possibly the edges of the date incuse on the striking die flaking off so producing lumps around the edges on the coin.  If it is die flaking then there will be many other coins with similar lumps as the die failure progressed, if not then its just a metal problem like crap in the silver mix or even oxidisation of the metal humping it up.
Cheers, Fred.

[Basil]

Hi Basil, just looking at the predecimal threads and saw this one re the threepence. I did a fair bit of research re the overdate 22/21 and the tooling used to create that and the dates either side some time ago. This does not directly answer your particular coin but gives some interesting facts regarding how the dies were created around then. Go back through your back issues of CAB, oh its last year!, June 2016 vol 19-05 not long ago at all and its an article wrapping the overdate up and explaining how it was made. Yes there was a lot of experimenting 1919 to 1921 when Melbourne were getting the hang of die and hub making and getting some consistency in the striking from year to year..
Your coin looks to me like possibly the edges of the date incuse on the striking die flaking off so producing lumps around the edges on the coin.  If it is die flaking then there will be many other coins with similar lumps as the die failure progressed, if not then its just a metal problem like crap in the silver mix or even oxidisation of the metal humping it up.
Cheers, Fred.

Hi Fred,thanks for making the effort,i've still got the Coin somewhere and will have to get it out and try and get some better Pics. I've got no idea other than there is something under the last 2.Dealer i showed it to said something similar to yourself,Die deteriorating and just a novelty piece.
Anyway i'll try and get better Pics.,i'll have more time when the Football season is over.

[Basil]

I've found the Coin and tried to get some better shots with a couple of different Microscopes but really couldn't improve on what i've already posted.
I did notice the top loop of the final 2 seems to be covering what looks like the top loop of a 3,the lower section arc of the loop seems greater(more rounded?) than the top section if that makes sense.

[Basil]

I'm sure there is something under the final 2,depending on the light and angle you can get different perspectives.

[wwwww]

Just looks like a slight doubling of an offset 2.

[Basil]

Just looks like a slight doubling of an offset 2.

Ok,Thanks for the reply Walter,there is definitely something under the last 2,i can't get the Pics. i want as each angle and the shadows make it look different.