1922 3d .Overdate or what..??e

[JeffH]

the image blurs when i press the capture button

You should be able to do a capture from the software. Kaiser Baas is F11 or "Capture" in menu bar.

[Nevol]

The software for My KB displays a Button that can be clicked with the mouse and there's absolutely no movement of the image.

This is the top left corner of the KB software I have.  I simply click on the left icon.  Oops, sorry, off topic.

[Fordprefect]

Could be an early stage of die errosion,
I have this one.

[Nevol]

I just checked all 9 x 1922 3d's I have and none of them show anything under the 2nd 2. :cray:

[Basil]

Thanks(many) Jeff & Nancy,downloaded SW from KB and it works with my no=name Ebay Scope,that will make life easier,í'll try and get a better close up of the 2.

I'm fairly certain i've never seen a final 2 like it before and i've checked a lot of 1922 3d over the years with a Loupe,what attracted my attention was the bar hanging out of the tail and i threw it to one side to check when i next had the Scope out.

[Basil]

Could be an early stage of die errosion,


I'm just don't know Rob. other than there is something there.Your final 2's are a bit closer to my coin than standard ones.
When you compare a regular 1922(top coin) to mine it looks like its a different die as the 2 is similar but different,thicker base on my coin.

[Basil]

I spent this afternoon trying to get a better shot of the 2 but most have come out worst than i have already posted.I included some shots of both sides and the date,if anyone in the Months ahead read this and have an opinion please post.The people i have shown the scans to so far think it looks like the top loop of a 2 or 3 but like myself have no idea what the bar and rod sticking out of the tail is.TIA.










I'll buy a better Microscope down the track and try again with the super close ups.

[Unicorn]

Keep up the good work Basil!

I know that "trying to get the right photo" feeling, it drives me nuts when you can't!

I can see what you mean all through this thread but can't explain what it is either.

Soldier on!

[Basil]

Thanks,i've been told its more likely to be unused 1913 die than a 1923 but i don't even know if they had any tooled any for that year.Anyway i'm in no hurry and will see what happens.

[nealeffendi]

Thanks,i've been told its more likely to be unused 1913 die than a 1923 but i don't even know if they had any tooled any for that year.Anyway i'm in no hurry and will see what happens.

Hi Basil. There is almost no chance that a 1913 die would have been involved. Until 1916 the silver was all struck in London so how would a die dated 1913 end up in Melbourne. I checked over on Jon Saxtons website and for 1922 threepences he notes that Melbourne received 2 hubs dated 1922 early in 1922 and had 4 or 5 dies dated 1921 (no mention of any older dies)
The obverse "might" have some clues. There is a dot next to the lower bar of E in REX, also a dot between the top of MP in IMP, possible lines at the bottom of the Is in IND IMP. They might just be fluff or dust or they might be tiny die markers. If die markers then sort through a heap to find others.
If you find others then odds are they will share the same reverse. Then you can see if there is truly something there and hopefully get a better idea what it is.
Good luck.

[Basil]

Hi Neal..,yeah doubtful at least, the guy that suggested 1913 is over 80 but knows a lot about Coins and seems to think a lot of the London tooling came out here after the war. I contacted Jon and he asked to see some scans/snaps so will have to wait see what happens there.

I never noticed the Obverse dots before(preoccupied with the 2),seems to be several and also seems to be a slightly different Obverse to a normal 1922,eg,the F of FD seems to be slightly out .I don't have a 1922 ordinary eg with a decent Obverse,mine are all worn heavily,this is the best i can do.

[markn]

I've been thinking about this over the last few days and I think a more likely explanation is simply die wear.  Chips of the die coming off of the corners of the 2 giving the impression that there's something else going on under there.

[Basil]

Possibility Mark but as the die wears it shouldn't(i've been told) produce the top loop of the 2 or 3 that seems to show here,,it should be uneven but who knows and where are all the other coins minted at the same time,surely someone would have found one as the 1922 3d gets a lot of scrutiny.The Obverse is different as well to the 6 or 7 examples i could find,none had the dots but i guess we will know more in that respect as people check their coins.I've shown the scans/snaps to everyone i can think of and no one seems to know what it is so far.

[nealeffendi]

Basil, is there any chance that the fat feet of the 2s (and I notice the down-stroke of the 9 isn't svelte) is due to poor hubbing? If so then the lip under the top of the 2 could be the remnants of the first blow, then the second blow was a hairs breath higher.
Perhaps they switched between the hubs that Jon records between the 2 hubbing blows (do little threepences get 2 blows?).

[Basil]

All possibilities i guess Neal,its beyond my knowlege at the moment.The first thing people i've showed the Pics. to say is why this hasn't turned up before when almost every 1922 3d gets scrutinised several times in its life especially since Ebay  & USB Microscopes appeared on the scene. One thing thou.,the top loop didn't show on my Loupe,it was covered by dirt,what attracted my attention was the bar hanging out of the tail.
It will be interesting to see if anyone has the same Obverse with the dots and strokes thru the "Í" 's,if they proves to be rare then i have really stumbled onto something.