Windows 8 a certifiable flop

JeffH · January 28, 2014, 01:41:40 PM

I just have a feeling Fulvio might like these!
Windows 8 a certifiable flop
Windows 9 slated for 2015 as Windows 8 'tanking'

Unicorn · January 28, 2014, 01:47:21 PM

Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='40532' dateline='1390878700'I just have a feeling Fulvio might like these!

:laugh2: ..... I think so too ...... that stupid meeting room ad with the bunch of people 'grooving' around the table was enough to turn me off .... thumbs down MS, I'll stick with Vista.

markn · January 28, 2014, 01:50:06 PM

Honestly, I don't know what they were thinking. I still have DOUBLE the number of visitors to all my sites using XP compared with Windows 8.

JeffH · January 28, 2014, 01:55:09 PM

My practice is never to go early with a new version of software or operating system. Let others have all the teething problems.
And, I tend to skip a generation with operating system. I am running Windows 7 on this computer and my old computer (networked but hardly ever turned on -just for emergencies basically) is fine with Windows XP -well as fine as a computer can be with a Microsoft operating system.

I wonder if there is any connection here? Gates' role scrutinised as Microsoft's search for new leader drags on

markn · January 28, 2014, 02:05:33 PM

Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='40535' dateline='1390879509'I am running Windows 7 on this computer and my old computer (networked but hardly ever turned on -just for emergencies basically) is fine with Windows XP -well as fine as a computer can be with a Microsoft operating system.

I've used every version of Windows heavily apart from Windows 8 and even that I've got installed in a VM and have used it for testing for many hours. The main annoyance with W8 is that it's trying to be a tablet based OS AND a desktop OS. And does neither particularly well. Whoever decided to dump the start button needs his/her but kicked from here to Siberia. Windows 8.1 is a vast improvement.

I find Windows 7 to be essentially rock solid and I use computers harder that 99.9% of people ever will. This new machine I've got is a bit persnickety when it wakes up from a hibernate but that's a problem with the hardware rather than the OS. I know it's a bit of fun to poke fun at Windows and MS but despite what their critics might say they still make the business world go round.

JeffH · January 28, 2014, 02:19:39 PM

:agreed:
The days of regular reboots, because the system fell over, are long gone.
Usually a reboot is down to something I have done.

markn · January 28, 2014, 02:21:59 PM

Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='40537' dateline='1390880979':agreed:
The days of regular reboots, because the system fell over, are long gone.
Usually a reboot is down to something I have done.

I would reboot on average once per month. And only because I feel like I should, not because I really have to. Gosh I can remember having to reboot computers every time you had to run a different program, so rebooting once a month is heaven

Basil · January 28, 2014, 03:16:54 PM

XP is fine at the moment but users will be in for a shock when they can't log onto Websites to do their Banking,Taxation etc,mass exodus then.

Fulvio · January 28, 2014, 04:36:56 PM

Quote from: 'Basil' pid='40541' dateline='1390884414'XP is fine at the moment but users will be in for a shock when they can't log onto Websites to do their Banking,Taxation etc,mass exodus then.

Don't hold your breath.

Apple have been trying to kill off the PowerPC architecture for years, but people still use them, and the old OS's to go with them. And despite DEC disappearing many many years ago, and Compaq's best efforts to erase everything they ever did, over 100,000 active and productive major VAX installations still exist, and heaven knows how many PDP-8 and PDP-11 machines and their embedded brethren.

Users simply need to learn to be less like sheep or lemmings, and to choose every aspect of their solutions carefully (and never listen to salesmen). Its been well documented that every second MS OS has been a complete disaster, and 8 holds true to form. We may disagree on the pros and cons of Windows vs OSX (or Unix), but there's no denying a mongrel when you see one. I wouldn't touch 8 with a bargepole.. or Vista, recent OSX's, iOS 7, or many other things.. no matter how hard those with vested interests want to try and force me.

And make no mistake, websites (or rather their owners and/or producers) have very vested interests. And as I learned early on, you don't get far in business if you lock your customers out.

If people use XP, intelligent developers will support it. Its as simple as that. Its once the percentages drop to low enough levels to be ignored that inherent laziness takes over and people stop coding for them. Might be a while yet I suspect.

Oh, and Mark, the whole computer vs tablet thing highlights just how bad MS really are. They totally failed to grasp the difference between relative (mouse) and absolute (touchscreen) positioning. That a product could get past Alpha stage, let alone to market, with such a glaring hole, speaks volumes about their ineptness I think.

markn · January 28, 2014, 04:44:06 PM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='40544' dateline='1390889216'Oh, and Mark, the whole computer vs tablet thing highlights just how bad MS really are. They totally failed to grasp the difference between relative (mouse) and absolute (touchscreen) positioning. That a product could get past Alpha stage, let alone to market, with such a glaring hole, speaks volumes about their ineptness I think.

I think a real sign of their ineptness is whether or not they commit the same idiocy again in the next 10 years.

Ozcoins · January 28, 2014, 05:37:39 PM

Mark.
I am surprised that you are finding XP is only double the number of Windows 8 users.

trout · January 28, 2014, 05:46:56 PM

Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='40551' dateline='1390892859'Mark.
I am surprised that you are finding XP is only double the number of Windows 8 users.

All the new computers come preinstalled with the crappy win8.
Win7 is bloody near bullet proof, I have NO idea why they would dump that platform and produce the doggy do dah win8 crap.
I hate it .
Why on earth would you try and fix something that isn't broken :dash1:

markn · January 28, 2014, 05:47:04 PM

Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='40551' dateline='1390892859'Mark.
I am surprised that you are finding XP is only double the number of Windows 8 users.

That's the average across all the sites. On some it's more. On the most popular site (which gets around 50,000 visits a month) Windows 8 is less then one quarter than XP. But that site is heavily business oriented and that doesn't surprise me that much. On the Australian Coin Collecting Blog the Windows 8 to XP ratio is about 0.8:1. What you'd expect from a more consumer oriented site.

markn · January 28, 2014, 05:51:19 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='40552' dateline='1390893416'
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='40551' dateline='1390892859'Mark.
I am surprised that you are finding XP is only double the number of Windows 8 users.

All the new computers come preinstalled with the crappy win8.
Win7 is bloody near bullet proof, I have NO idea why they would dump that platform and produce the doggy do dah win8 crap.
I hate it .
Why on earth would you try and fix something that isn't broken :dash1:

Revenue. But at least MS can't make you buy hardware from them. Apple has forcibly obsoleted our iPad. So now we can't run new software on it and we're essentially being FORCED to buy a new iPad. MS won't let you run newer versions of DirectX or anything better than IE9 on XP. But they still support .NET up to version 4 which still makes it a very useful and usable OS.

trout · January 28, 2014, 06:01:52 PM

I have been using MS platforms since I got my first computer in the early eighties, 286, 1 meg ram, ega card, 5 1/4 floppy and a huge 40 meg hdd running Dos 4.
I have used every dos based platform since.
Some were good and a few were Bloody good ( win95b, xp and win7)
With the new iPhone type concept win8 MS has lost a loyal customer unless they dump this concept .
My next computer looks like it will be a Mac at this stage of the game.