Windows 8 a certifiable flop

Basil · January 28, 2014, 09:35:19 PM

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. MS won't let you run newer versions of DirectX or anything better than IE9 on XP. But they still support .NET up to version 4 which still makes it a very useful and usable OS.
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I'm no expert on all this but my Nephew works in IT,his exact words are XP is finished as far as the Internet goes,you won't be able to use anything less than IE10 to acess some sites later this year or early next and it will spread fairly rapidly after that.
Anyway,time will tell but don't say you haven't been warned when you have to pay some Bulgarian guy a $100 to unlock your computer or your Bank Acct. gets drained.

runway · January 28, 2014, 11:44:59 PM

Windows 7 OS ... can't go wrong

Fulvio · January 29, 2014, 12:02:40 AM

Quote from: 'Basil' pid='40569' dateline='1390907119'my Nephew works in IT,his exact words are XP is finished as far as the Internet goes

Speaking as someone who worked in what they now call IT before everybody and his dog started doing it, I've seen and heard my fair share of stupid comments from people who should know better. Here's a random sampling of the more famous ones:

"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
- Popular Mechanics, 1949

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943

"I have travelled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processings is a fad that won't last out the year."
- The editor in charge of business books for Prentice-Hall, 1957

"But what...is it good for?"
- Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968, commenting on the microchip

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of DEC

"Indeed, it would not be an exaggeration to describe the history of the computer industry for the past decade as a massive effort to keep up with Apple."
- Byte, December 1994

"So we went to Atari and said, 'Hey, we've got this amazing thing, even built with some of your parts, and what do you think about funding us? Or we'll give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our salary, we'll come work for you.' And they said, 'No.' So then we went to Hewlett-Packard, and they said, 'Hey, we don't need you. You haven't got through college yet.'"
- Steve Jobs, cofounder of Apple Computer

Now, I'm not saying your nephew is stupid, or even wrong. But there's a LOT more to the internet than just the web. And even then, its not the web that's the problem, but clever dicks who have to prove how clever they are to justify their salaries. This they do by coding stuff that is not universally accessible. I have old machines which can't run 'modern' browsers. And they can't access some websites. So what? Easy fix is just avoid those sites. Their loss, not mine.

And Mark, I hear ya about Apple's planned obsolescence.. its one reason why much as I love the products, I absolutely hate the company. And why I have an iOS 5 iPad 2 and an iOS 6 iPod, neither of which I plan on ever 'upgrading' either OS or apps on. If developers want to force iOS 7 on people, they can do without my custom.

Pedro · January 29, 2014, 08:08:50 AM

Seems to be that MS have established a pattern whereby about every second OS upgrade is a pup (no disrespect to dogs intended!).

Pedro

Ozcoins · January 29, 2014, 08:10:08 AM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='40578' dateline='1390915960'I have old machines which can't run 'modern' browsers. And they can't access some websites. So what? Easy fix is just avoid those sites. Their loss, not mine.

its one reason why much as I love the products, I absolutely hate the company.

The problem with 'voting with your feet' is that 'no one cares'.
No one with any say in the matter cares if Fulvio does not visit a site, so your action makes no difference to fixing the situation.
I have seen large news and advertising and online shop sites (whose number 1 priority should be 'number of people viewing') that do not work with older browsers - even when they are still used by many people.
I have even watched the development of a large online store and commented on the lack of focus on making it work for as many people as possible.
Re apple.
Many of the products have major and deliberate 'anti customer' designs/features which are simply evil.
There s no excuse for:
-Batteries not being removable in iPods, iPads, iPhones or laptops.
-they are a consumable which need to be replaced eventually
-they have to be removed in some circumstances (eg dropped in water)
I am writing this on an iPhone 5 and the glass on iPhones is designed to break.
- the glass protrudes from the frame of the phone so any drop with the face of the phone less than approx 45 degrees to the ground ends up hitting directly on the glass
- then there was the model with glass front and back to double the chance of smashing something

Basil · January 29, 2014, 09:08:07 AM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='40578' dateline='1390915960'Speaking as someone who worked in what they now call IT before everybody and his dog started doing it, I've seen and heard my fair share of stupid comments from people who should know better. Here's a random sampling of the more famous ones:

I'm sorry Fulvio,i can't agree and also can't see what those quotes of yours have do with anything,we are talking about an obselete OS and its relevance in the years ahead as far as accessing sites on the net,IE 8 & 9 won't cut it and it will more sooner than later.
If i'm wrong i'll come on this site in a couple of years time and admit it,if i'm right i will have helped a lot of fellow members,who deal in Coins/Paypal/Banking FFS,move onto Win 7 or 8 and its increased security protocols.

markn · January 29, 2014, 10:06:01 AM

Quote from: 'Basil' pid='40585' dateline='1390948687'If i'm wrong i'll come on this site in a couple of years time and admit it,if i'm right i will have helped a lot of fellow members,who deal in Coins/Paypal/Banking FFS,move onto Win 7 or 8 and its increased security protocols.

With respect no-one knows for sure. I already have to load up certain sites in some flavour of IE 8 or later (the ATO business portal pages) because they simply WILL NOT WORK in any version of Firefox or Chrome. I suspect that this has nothing to do with standards compliance but rather the ATO programming specifically for IE.

Basil · January 29, 2014, 10:21:14 AM

Gee,i'm surprised but also can't agree Mark,i'm semi-retired but its common knowledge in IT that IE 8 & 9 are on their last legs,MPO is 2 years or less but time will tell.

markn · January 29, 2014, 10:29:29 AM

Quote from: 'Basil' pid='40589' dateline='1390953074'Gee,i'm surprised but also can't agree Mark,i'm semi-retired but its common knowledge in IT that IE 8 & 9 are on their last legs,MPO is 2 years or less but time will tell.

They might be in the consumer market but in the business and corporate market they are anything but. Large corporates are notoriously slow to roll out new technology and I suspect this is the primary reason why MS provides support for old software for so long. Stats from my websites support this claim with IE11 on my "consumer" sites being used about 30% more than on my "business or corporate" sites.

I should add that the very good browsers Chrome and FF still support XP quite happily in their latest incarnations. They've got decent market penetration and can only help to prolong the life of XP.

Basil · January 29, 2014, 10:43:38 AM

OK,perhaps certain IT people see an opportunity to make $ with FUD.As i said time will tell,i'll agree to disagree.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx

markn · January 29, 2014, 10:58:49 AM

Quote from: 'Basil' pid='40592' dateline='1390954418'OK,perhaps certain IT people see an opportunity to make $ with FUD.As i said time will tell,i'll agree to disagree.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/endofsupport.aspx

But interestingly they are providing security updates until 2015. Having a bet both ways

http://blogs.technet.com/b/mmpc/archive/2014/01/15/microsoft-antimalware-support-for-windows-xp.aspx

Basil · January 29, 2014, 11:57:47 AM

Yeah,2 years seems to be the general consensus,anyway i've made my point,if people wish take notice and move to 7 or 8, fine,if they don't thats fine too,i come to this site for Coin Info.,my last Post on the subject.

Goldseeker · January 29, 2014, 10:05:21 PM

I have just bought a brand spanking new laptop that has Windows 8 on it.

Give me windows 7 Home premium any day.

I will try and take the computer back and see if they will remove Windows 8 and give me something I can really use........

Fulvio · January 29, 2014, 10:36:50 PM

Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='40639' dateline='1390995321'I will try and take the computer back and see if they will remove Windows 8 and give me something I can really use........

Hopefully discussions like this one will lead to people asking that question BEFORE handing over any money... watching sales walk out the door is a great motivator for improving customer service.

runway · January 29, 2014, 11:32:00 PM

Quote from: 'Basil' pid='40589' dateline='1390953074'Gee,i'm surprised but also can't agree Mark,i'm semi-retired but its common knowledge in IT that IE 8 & 9 are on their last legs,MPO is 2 years or less but time will tell.

Windows 8 has IE 10 ... Yeah know what you mean Basil and Windows 8 is a total flop