rim & mistrike errors

ausjack · August 03, 2013, 07:18:01 AM

Ok, are rim & mistrike errors worth keeping and what one's are..thank you :hi:

purplepennyhunter · August 03, 2013, 08:04:26 AM

Personally those mis-strikes for sale on ebay that are supposedly off centre where you have to squint and look sideways because there may be a very slight misalignment of one of the dies are not worth keeping. If it hasn't affected the collar or metal flow then it doesn't grab me.

Any partial collar, ramstrike, broadstrike, off centre or version of are definately worth keeping. If you've found something noodling then you are luckier than I am most of these are picked up by the security companies before they are rolled/bagged.

ausjack · August 03, 2013, 09:25:15 AM

:mocking: like these one's

Fulvio · August 03, 2013, 05:01:31 PM

Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='23724' dateline='1375487715'like these ones

Maybe its my eyes, but I see nothing making those keepers.

I'm currently putting aside all the rim errors and flaws from these $2 coins.

Out of 29,000 coins so far, I've got a dozen or so rim cuds, a hundred-ish split rims, and an unknown (but small) number of off-centre strikes. They're not sufficiently off-centre for most of you lot, since there is still some rim all the way around, but they are visible to the naked eye, unlike most of them which are fractions of a mm.

I very much doubt you're going to see any major rim flaws in circulation, because as PPH said, most are picked up before you get to them. And the coin collecting community in general tends to be more than a bit snobbish about errors anyway. The whole "its not worth collecting because its tiny" mentality. To which I say "you can't get any tinier than an overdate, yet you lust after those, don't you?"

At a rate of around 1:300 or less, I consider these types to be collectible. At least as much as common errors which run 1:2 or 1:3 (EG: WW2 50¢ stole cud). However I don't expect there to be much of a market, so I'm only collecting for my own satisfaction, and to try and build a picture of what's possible with these flaws.

For example, where exactly is the dividing line between a rim cud error and a split rim which goes half way around and parts of which are lumpy, like proto-cuds? Did they both result from similar causes? How exactly are the splits formed anyway?

Lots and lots of questions, making these very interesting, but not a lot of answers as yet.

trout · August 03, 2013, 05:41:23 PM

QuoteLots and lots of questions, making these very interesting, but not a lot of answers as yet.

Don't be so intimidating Mate, unless you work at the mint or have done so in the past then nobody has a definitive answer as to how these errors occur.
Everything otherwise is conjecture or guesswork :ok:

purplepennyhunter · August 03, 2013, 06:16:10 PM

I don't think those are keepers either AJ. Sorry mate. Not enough error to be an error. They're just a very slightly misaligned die likely only on one side.

But again if you found it and you like it then keep it!

Fulvio · August 03, 2013, 07:36:32 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='23770' dateline='1375517483'Everything otherwise is conjecture or guesswork

Detective work is half the fun. I'd guess that very, very few of the mistakes mints make have ever been identified by them. Its always collectors, possibly backed up by confirmation from some loose-lipped worker. Most of the staff wouldn't give you the time of day, especially voluntarily.

ausjack · August 03, 2013, 09:47:35 PM

All good, just trying to work out what to keep and what to set free

here's some more with odd rims

this rim goes right round

same coin just a cud

ausjack · August 04, 2013, 06:32:11 AM

sweet found one to keep and eye on and it even has the same cud..so I wonder how many are about :scratch_one-s_head:

help if i put the link up :laugh2: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VERY-RARE-MISS-STRIKE-OFF-CENTER-ERROR-2008-10-CENT-COIN-/251314733623?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item3a83868237#ht_1591wt_958

Cobwebs · August 04, 2013, 07:20:38 AM

I agree with some of the comments above.

purplepennyhunter - But again if you found it and you like it then keep it
Fulvio - Detective work is half the fun

One question to ask yourself is, why keep them? For me they where study pieces, then I spent them, usually in parking meters.
We are talking about coins that are mass produced and it would be rare for a perfect coin to be minted. So most imperfections would be common or normal.

For me, worn dies and/or presses don't make errors they are part of the process.
But in numismatics there are always exceptions to the rule.

Nevol · August 04, 2013, 07:27:27 AM

Interesting cud on the 2008 10c rev AJ. I've never seen one in that position. :angel:

ausjack · August 04, 2013, 07:48:03 AM

yes nevol and it's very much like a mule in that it's a full ring..very strange but I think he can go away for now

oh sorry, were you talking about the cud in the middle of the 71..just right of the eye (it's what I thought it was for a sec and then seen the real eye..sometimes I look a bit too quick

Nevol · August 04, 2013, 07:56:35 AM

Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='23832' dateline='1375568283'oh sorry, were you talking about the cud in the middle of the 71..just right of the eye (it's what I thought it was for a sec and then seen the real eye..sometimes I look a bit too quick

Yep, that's the one. Quite unusual. :angel: I thought it was on the 2008.

ausjack · August 04, 2013, 08:10:26 AM

One day I'll get as good as you :thank_you:

Goldseeker · August 04, 2013, 10:55:17 AM

I am of the opinion that many so called "coin collectors" call anything nowadays a "variety" because something is oh so slightly different from another coin of the same denomination etc.

Take for eg the bloke on ebay, errorhunter, I think his name is who quite frequently sells coins with 15 or more differences on it. That is a load of you know what.

If something can be seen with the naked eye and it stands out, that's fine, but when a 10x, 20x magnifier is used, one coiuld save every coin one touches.

I believe that if one was able to look at every newly minted coin in one of the RAM's bins, then every coin would be a keeper because ot the minute differences between one coin and another.

Quality control went out the window many years ago at the RAM so more and more "variety coins" are now in circulation. Many so called variety coins have been machine mangled before being found through the many mechanical devices that coins are inserted into. The wear and tear on coins is being ignored and as such, are being called varieties/errors.

I am seriously thinking of giving it all away as I am getting bored with all the so called varieties/errors being reported which when boiled down are normal abuse, wear and tear on the coin.

PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THE EBAY SELLER I HAVE NAMED IN THIS POST IS NOT THE PERSON WHO HAS THE SAME NAME AS A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM. Edited to try and keep the peace by the author.