rim & mistrike errors

ausjack · August 05, 2013, 05:00:01 PM

took the words right out of my mouth fulvio..well put mate

Unicorn · August 05, 2013, 05:18:00 PM

AJ ..... I'm not gunna finish that song sentence for ya .....

Well put Fulvio, totally agree. I only cull my keepers because I can't afford to keep them all.

ausjack · August 05, 2013, 05:32:24 PM

:laugh2: why not sweetheart..ok I will http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wO8toxinoc
..big kisses for uni ya know http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tuYKUgBZEc :give_heart:

Fulvio · August 05, 2013, 05:42:28 PM

Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='23973' dateline='1375688880'I only cull my keepers because I can't afford to keep them all.

Yeah, that sucks, but is completely understandable. I gotta admit this $2 chase has put a few dings in my other resources. Be glad when its over and I can rebuild.

cracker · August 05, 2013, 08:18:27 PM

Thanks Nevol and Cobwebs off centre is what they are. I couldn't think what they were if they weren't mistrikes. I just have a small bag of off centre 10cents coins that I have had for a while and needed a second opinion.

Cobwebs · August 05, 2013, 09:29:18 PM

What anyone collects and keeps is up to them.

There are 2 schools of thought that have different opinions of what constitutes a variety.

A coin, say a 2048 $3 flying kangaroo, has a mintage of four million. There are cuds on King William's chin, forehead, and nose. There are die fills in the date and the K, there are rim cuds on the reverse in two spots, there is a filled R in dollar, and the roo has rabbit ears. Plus it comes to light that there is both a large and small obverse, with pointy or flat A's

So our future coin has two varieties and nine errors.

Cobwebs · August 06, 2013, 01:34:54 PM

Fulvio

I disagree with some of your opinions (someone has to challenge you).
But first could you give a few examples of Errors, Varieties and Flaws. The terminology seems to have changed over the last 5-6 years.

Maybe a new thread - This subject has been debated several times over the past 20 years or so. New collectors to this area of collecting would be after good info and see the various opinions that crop up.
As I have said, the terminology appears to have changed again.

ausjack · August 06, 2013, 02:29:42 PM

wow, yeah being sort of new to errors I'd have to agree, what is what?? This is hard for me but I hope you get what I'm trying to say, I have gained a bit from different threads but it seem like a lot of other things to do with coins and all pretty subjective. I'll have a shot and say error should be the broad title as there are two sorts, one in the dies that lead to a variety etc and one in the metal or some other force that create flaws eg split planchet. So as you can have a flaw in either the coin or die it's a bit hard and depends on how much you want to split hairs and then things can get broken down into varieties etc and they can be split and so on and so on..very interesting, well I think so

Cobwebs · August 06, 2013, 03:26:28 PM

Hi ausjack.

I do have a copy of an error/variety glossary of terms for Aussie coins. I'll put it up on the web, it may take a week or two. It doesn't define what is an error, variety or flaw but it's a starting point.

ausjack · August 06, 2013, 03:32:39 PM

Cool, thanks mate..it all helps and we're always learning :good:
very interesting and hard to explain so I hope you could see where I was going

Just thinking, with all these new coins and the way they're making them I wonder what will be the next type of error..one process missed and who know what could happen, eg paint not taking, is this an error and an error with the coin or just the way it was made so there's a lot to think about. I think the main problem with us or/ that we face is that we have old rules but it's a new type of game and we all have a lot to learn and work out what is what or the future is gonna be a real shitefight..another eg is grading and the different systems and even different companies make up their own system so yeah fun for us all but more food for thought.

Cobwebs · August 06, 2013, 05:55:35 PM

Maybe, "old rules but it's a new type of game".
Basically the rules still apply. Very little has changed to the way coins are made, we still have 2 dies and a blank and whether it's a hammer or machine that force the dies onto the blank we still get errors and varieties. I'd say the main difference is, quality has improved. Some where in my collection I have a "flipped over double strike" from the 13th century. I'll see if I can dig it out and post an image.
With new types of errors, it a matter of finding an appropriate name and description.

robbiegal · August 06, 2013, 06:02:05 PM

how could you have a flipped over double strike from the 13th century?
what sort of a press would that have been made in?

Fulvio · August 06, 2013, 06:37:48 PM

Quote from: 'Cobwebs' pid='24099' dateline='1375761894'I disagree with some of your opinions (someone has to challenge you).
But first could you give a few examples of Errors, Varieties and Flaws.

Good. Its only through discussion that a consensus can be reached.
I did in another thread fairly recently, but I'll start a new one so it can be easily found.

ausjack · August 06, 2013, 06:40:06 PM

"Paint flake" from what I hear about these new $2 could be a new one

and I did see an error on ebay, here's a link, http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2013-2-60th-Coronation-purple-coin-ERROR-COIN-/111128099962?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item19dfc03c7a#ht_245wt_988 sorry EH no offence intended mate as I seen this the other day and only just seen it was you..sorry.

I should call in and see you next time I'm up that way, I think your the closest member to me

Coins from Vending · August 07, 2013, 06:49:41 PM

Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='24135' dateline='1375780206'"Paint flake" from what I hear about these new $2 could be a new one and I did see an error on ebay, here's a link, http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2013-2-60th-Coronation-purple-coin-ERROR-COIN-/111128099962?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item19dfc03c7a#ht_245wt_988 sorry EH no offence intended mate as I seen this the other day and only just seen it was you..sorry.

I should call in and see you next time I'm up that way, I think your the closest member to me

Anyone who is on the gold coast is welcome to come and have a look at the coin. I have thought about ringing the mint to see what they think?

The ppl that removed the paint with acetone removed the paint, I'd be interested in seeing if they can change its colour??

I don't know how the coin is made when it comes to painting, but maybe it missed a process or got the same process twice??

Anyone know what the printing process is for these coloured coins??