Wavey Base opinion needed

[Steveqld]

Having been an Ebayer for 10+ years I can tell you now that you should close your paypal account or unlink you CCard and bank account from it ASAP, because if he lodges a dispute Paypal WILL take money out of your account, I have had it done to me over very similar circumstances, the only way I got my money back was by taking him to the ATM after paying him a visit

Darryn

Funny you mentioned that. I removed my Credit Card from Paypal and changed the link to an account I know has no money in it the same night he complained.  Happy to refund his money if he is found to be in the right but it's not looking good for him.

[ausjack]

:laugh2: good on ya Stevo..more than one way to skin a cat :good:

[Steveqld]

OK here is what you need to do to save your backside, screen shot your images and your ebay listing, screen shot his photos of the coin and his ebay listing, highlight the imperfections on your coin and note those exact same imperfections on his coin he sold, this will be needed if Paypal come after you for a refund.

I have already saved all of his photos if you need them, though by his grammer he don't sound real smart and probably wouldn't think to remiove the images from his auction
I don't think you will haveanything to worry about This is what I am going to send him, I have a mate who works in the fraud squad with the CIB for Qld police, play golf with him 2-3 times a month, I am sure he will like an open and shut case that would be solved with the inspection of images of your ebay sale and that of his a few days later??

This is what I propose to send the scammer if you have no objections I'll send it tonight?



Just curious as to why you left that fellow negative feedback about the WAVY 20c peice, I have looked at the images of the coin he sold you and it has a chip in the rim straight above the 2, then in the top of the 2 it has a little nick in it plus a few very obvious chips in the rim.

Then the 20c wavy coin you sold a few days later coincidently has the exact same chip above the 2 in the exact same spot, and the 2 has yep you quessed it the EXACT same little nick in it, I have also spoted about 12 other little marks on the coin you said was fake but are the exact same marks on the coin you sold, quite a few on the rim of the coin, clearly you have just sold the coin you got and now claim it to be fake, and now you threaten him for a refund and to go to the police. Do it, go on do it, because he has all the pictures of his and your coin and it will be you who gets charged with fraud, I have  mate who works in the fraud squad with Qld police if you want his phone number?

Hi EH.  Thank you for the thought but I am deliberately being nice and not threatening to report him for a reason.  I posted in another thread that I recently retired after working for the same employer for 39 years.  I actually retired as a Police Inspector with the Qld Police and did 10 years as a Detective, 10 as an OIC and 10 as an Inspector with the Ethical Standards.

I really am just letting him did a deeper hole for himself.  I'm aware of the possibility of an Attempted False Pretence charge, there's also an offence in Qld of threatening people and one of criminal defamation (but that's very rarely used).  More likely though I believe the Internet uses our telephone network to communicate and this is a "Carriage service" and would just be looking at possibly something under the CRIMES LEGISLATION AMENDMENT (TELECOMMUNICATIONS OFFENCES AND OTHER MEASURES) ACT (NO. 2) 2004 - SCHEDULE 1

Eg
474.17    Using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence

             (1)  A person is guilty of an offence if:

                     (a)  the person uses a carriage service; and

                     (b)  the person does so in a way (whether by the method of use or the content of a communication, or both) that reasonable persons would regard as being, in all the circumstances, menacing, harassing or offensive.
I haven't researched it, was not a Federal POlice Officer and have never used that charge so I'd have to look into it a bit further as an alternative.

So let him go on with the abuse and threats, his emails are already stored in the messages log on Ebay and they're not going away.  He can't improve his position and it's only going to get worse and after he shows his coin to a dealer principal today he is either going to pull his head in or again go on the attack.  See how it pans out.

[ausjack]

:laugh2: what a cack..sounds like ya got him by the short and crulies now, that'll teach the bastard :hi:

[Fulvio]

ROFL! I LOVE IT! Wish I could be there to see the look on his face when he eventually comes unglued. Go Steve, you're a LEGEND!

[ausjack]

I'd love to see his face when/if he finds out who he's been abusing..love it when a plan comes together :good:

It was lookin a bit iffy at the start but this has turned into a ripper (good news) story and thanks so much for sharing Stevo after a few bad ones over the last week..well done mate

[Nevol]

Looks like he picked the wrong person to try a scam on.  Talk about poetic justice. Hopefully he'll keep up with the attempted scam and just dig his hole deeper and deeper until he's buried himself. Serves the mongrel right. Go Steve!

[ausjack]

Just thinkin how funny it would be to meet him at the station an to see the look on his face when you said g'day to ya old work mates, price less (please take a pic for me or get CC fotage hehe)..this is just brilliant so you must keep us informed now please Stevo
and this is a really good lesson on "nothing is ever as it seems" :winkextra:

[b_j_w_79]

Wow I'm late onto this one but I can't wait to hear how it all turns out! We're all behind you Steveqld, get him/her/them!

[Steveqld]

I'd love to see his face when/if he finds out who he's been abusing..love it when a plan comes together :good:

It was lookin a bit iffy at the start but this has turned into a ripper (good news) story and thanks so much for sharing Stevo after a few bad ones over the last week..well done mate

There have been a few bad reports on Ebay experiences and the criminal law is a very poor tool for Ebay scams but there are some good times.  Most retirees have old war stories.

I've only ever used a criminal complaint once in the last 12 years.  About 10 years ago I purchased a year proof set for a bit over $100.  It didn't arrive and a few emails came "I'll send it tomorrow", "It's in the mail" etc then after a few weeks there was no contact.  I was aware he lived on the Gold Coast and "became aware" that he was an active fraud offender with a criminal history so I made a complaint.

A couple of months later he was evicted from the Casino and arrested by Detectives who rang me.  He was then "questioned" about my missing coins.  The next day I got an email from him apologizing and explaining the "He didn't know about it", "Someone else had been using his Ebay ID" etc and asking me to withdraw my complaint (which I didn't do).  Within a week I received a brand new set that would have cost him a fortune and a bonus silver proof coin for my inconvenience.  He wouldn't have had the coins to start with so he must have spent a few hours trying to track them down.

See happy endings can happen (No, not the other sort of happy ending).

[Ozcoins]

Steve,
I really hope this one gets nailed.

I cant understand your statement that "criminal law is a very poor tool for Ebay scams".  I would expect that ebay should make things really easy.
Everything is in writing (not "he said", "she said") and names and addresses are all included.

[Steveqld]

Steve,
I really hope this one gets nailed.

I cant understand your statement that "criminal law is a very poor tool for Ebay scams".  I would expect that ebay should make things really easy.
Everything is in writing (not "he said", "she said") and names and addresses are all included.

The impediments for Ebay scams are that they are mostly frauds. To prove a fraud charge you have to prove the intent of the seller at the time of the transaction was to defraud the buyer.  It is often difficult to prove what someone was thinking at some time in the past.  A couple of examples that you would think would be walk up starts but I think would be problematic:

     Examples provided - removed from post and PM to Ozcoins.  The examples should not be generally available in the public arena.

It's not impossible to disprove a persons state of mind but it is difficult.  The system would be ideal if people didn't lie but they do.

Secondly you have to consider costs.  Most Ebay purchases are not for large amounts.  Not sure of the current position but often the accused in dishonesty charges has the election to take the matter before a judge and jury and those trials cost $50,000 a day to run.  Do we really want to spend $50,000 - $70,000 of taxpayers money prosecuting someone for a $100 offence when the probable outcome would be a slap on the wrist and no conviction recorded.  I suspect for a $100 item the DPP would not even proceed with the charge.

In my instance several of the offences I mentioned would enable an offender to go to a Judge and Jury.  The charge I suggested is a minor charge, would probably be investigated by a junior Constable, is a straightforward case of deciding whether a "reasonable person" would find the recorded conversations were abusive and threatening or not (what the person who said them or the person they were said to thinks is irrelevant).  They would only be dealt with in the lower courts at minimal cost to everyone and a favourable outcome would get the message across.

The current system allows Ebay to say "You want to allege a crime then have the Police investigate it".  The investigators say "We can't prove intent so you use the existing Ebay/Paypal dispute mechanisms".

Although this view is probably a bit on the pessimistic side I can see why individuals become disillusioned.  IN reality the percentage of Ebay transactions that are dishonest is probably much less than 1%.

[Steveqld]

Just a quick one.  Things went very quiet from my mate after it's mention here.  No emails from him, he didn't keep an appointment with his dealer to have it reappraised, no transaction dispute, etc.  Ebay is aware but I won't hear anything from them for "privacy reasons".

This must be the most travelled coin in Australia.  As per previous go234coins sold it to riss079 on 5/6/13 who left him feedback and received the coin on 6/6/13.

Look what was listed on Gumtree on that same day and the contact number belongs to go234coins.

http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/beenleigh/other-antiques-art-collectables/1966-australian-wavvy-20cent-piece-coin/1021075143

Even used the same photos and is $205 less than Riss079 allegedly paid for it.  Even less that go234coins paid me for it.  Obviously he never sold it to Riss079 and he's just trying to offload the coin.

If anyone wants a cheap wavy base offer him $100 and if he's desperate enough he might take it but then again I wouldn't trust it.

[ausjack]

but will ya get the coin Stevo or is that another scam :scratch_one-s_head:
just thinking, do you think he'd get up set if I sent him an email asking if it's the same wavy 20 he tried to scam a cop mate of mine on ebay and is it all so the same coin you sold riss079..he might become a little paranoid :laugh2: bloody good find mate, ya on to him :good:

[Coins from Vending]

I actually sent that email the other night, from my ebay acc, I've not heard from him either. Quite clear he is a dunce, but I will ring him about the coin? I'd like to rock up in person and see what sort of character he is??

I think he's gone to water and realised he's been found out??