Opinions on this PCGS grade please

echidna · May 03, 2013, 10:56:25 PM

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Got this graded recently.
PCGS MS64BN.
Its considerably brighter in the hand than the crappy PCGS image too.
What do you reckon about the BN designation ?

Fr45h3R · May 04, 2013, 06:59:01 AM

Is there underlying lustre as well? hard to tell from the pcgs image.
Brilliant coin either way. Very nice

accumulator · May 04, 2013, 07:26:56 AM

I'm a long long way from being a PCGS expert but i would have thought it would get an RB colour designation.

markn · May 04, 2013, 08:02:57 AM

A BN designation seems rather harsh to me too.

echidna · May 04, 2013, 09:20:42 AM

Here is another that got a 62BN:

I've seen some very harsh grading lately.
Especially Aussie copper.
I get the feeling they are biased against it.

robbiegal · May 04, 2013, 09:51:13 AM

Quote from: 'echidna' pid='13628' dateline='1367587585'
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Got this graded recently.
PCGS MS64BN.
Its considerably brighter in the hand than the crappy PCGS image too.
What do you reckon about the BN designation ?

personally
I think a brown designation is ridiculous for that coin
and unfair as well

Fr45h3R · May 04, 2013, 10:26:29 AM

Quote from: 'echidna' pid='13641' dateline='1367625042'I've seen some very harsh grading lately.
Especially Aussie copper.
I get the feeling they are biased against it.

Whilst I that I feel these both coins were under graded, doesn't the grading go to 2 people, and a 3rd if the first 2 don't agree ?

One of the 'pros' in my eyes for using PCGS was consistency, however recently i'm starting to see examples where this isn't the case.

enworb · May 04, 2013, 11:37:48 AM

I cant believe that got BN!

Robster · May 04, 2013, 01:00:46 PM

Would I be correct in assuming a 'red' grading is more desirable because of it's relative rareness.:idea:??.

robbiegal · May 04, 2013, 03:39:32 PM

yep yep
got to be 95% original red
but that halfpenny is a red/brown not brown , i'd reckon

accumulator · May 04, 2013, 03:43:41 PM

For sure Robster, anything with the RD designation is really sort after,they get snapped up very quickly.

markn · May 04, 2013, 08:24:16 PM

I've split the off topic posts in this thread to another thread.

robbiegal · May 04, 2013, 10:22:02 PM

ta :angel:

wwwww · May 05, 2013, 12:08:01 PM

The 1925 was probably kept in a BN holder because the obverse has less than 5% red.

This came back BN, the reverse had practically full subdued red (doesn't look very subdued in the photo as they've reflected the light into the lens), but the obverse was fully toned:

I believe you need 5% on both faces to make an RB slab.

Your 1920 penny seems right at 62BN, nice surfaces (looks like a 64) but it's got friction on the obverse.

echidna · May 05, 2013, 12:57:26 PM

Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='13701' dateline='1367721481'The 1925 was probably kept in a BN holder because the obverse has less than 5% red.

This came back BN, the reverse had practically full subdued red (doesn't look very subdued in the photo as they've reflected the light into the lens), but the obverse was fully toned:

I believe you need 5% on both faces to make an RB slab.

Your 1920 penny seems right at 62BN, nice surfaces (looks like a 64) but it's got friction on the obverse.

Thanks Walter
I'd like to see PCGS publish more information about how they grade. Would be less frustrating when bad grades come through.