5th Variety of 1931 Penny discovered

[Basil]

The metallic composition of the coin is not in question. The die evolution is not part of this test.


Cheers, Fred Lever.
Hi Fred, you did say that and that is why I raised the issue. Precision of language is important in numismatic research. (Yes, I'm a PITA pedant).
I'm no expert on brazing or welding so is it possible (perhaps with the right equipment?) to precisely braze/weld bronze such that x-ray analysis is inconclusive in showing a join? Not necessarily in this case but for advances by fakers for other bronze ( or other metal) rarities.

Neal,x-ray equipment designed for the Aircraft Industry are very sensitive,Lnyx machines could pick up microscopic hairline cracks in metal and that was 50 years ago,there would be some exotic methods these days.
Any alteration to the date on a Coin would show up clearly.

No one seems to know who "Aussie Grading" are that Spence mentions.

[fred lever]

1/ cracks in things: Yep Basil is right in the 1970's Lynx could find cracks and flaws in cranks and con rods. All i could do myself was paint "crack detector" fluid on the surface and see what happens. Even then xray equipment could "see" right through metal making it "translucent". Other firms with xray equipment could expose my crappy welds on pipes and fabricated stuff and show lack of penetration, tiny gas voids, flaws  and so on. No chance of getting sub spec pieces through then!  God knows what modern scanning techniques can do now. I have had 3T scanning done of MYSELF  and the amount of information about bone and organ condition was gobsmacking. I would view shining UV light onto a coin as being on par with me painting "crack finder" fluid on the outside of something. Does not see INSIDE the thing from the front and back.

2/ I popped off a email to "the pennyman" seeking a bit more info about the TWO 5th variety  coins he has handled.
I wish he had let the coin magazine know about these coins instead of a country paper as an independant surfacing of a new variety is a very exciting numismatic event.
Guess he will come back with some info in due course.

Fred.

Fred.

[echidna]

Here is another 1931 dropped 1 India die for sale on Ebay.
First 1 in the date looks a bit wonky.



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[fred lever]

Yes Ecchi, I have emailed frederick3862 and queried why the FOUR  indian drop 1's sales only show the images of TWO coins not four.
He has replied to tell me they rarer than a 1930 and have a dot after the S and are Indians but unfortunately missed the point about showing the same coin in pairs of ads:

For reference I will use the last 3 digits of the ebay sales.
sales 145 and 379 show the same coin with a spot between the F and A on the obverse.
sales 204 and 360 show the same coin with a scratched obverse.
With the view of a prospective purchaser how can this be?
I have asked him to show four different coins in each ad so I can check the die type.

Fred.

[fred lever]

Received a further reply including he is 87 years old and not good with computers but if i looked at the ads I will see the photos.
OK.

Fred.

[Basil]

Fred,sorted my available 1929's,dozen or so but only 1 Indian.I have some more somewhere and will post if i find any Indians amongst them.

[fred lever]

Hi Basil nice looking typical CBL reverse.
You gotta have a "dot variety" to complete your collection!

Have not had a response back from the Pennyman, re his  new "unicorn" 31 discovery.
Probably over whelmed with offers to buy it.

Cheers, Fred.

[echidna]

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Another Unicorn penny for sale on Ebay.
Same seller who has sold many Unicorn pennies - he has yet another example.

[fred lever]

Hi Echidna, another one?
Amazing they keep coming!
I filed those images in my working story folder of 5th variety coins.
I compared the circulation marks with previous and this is a new one.
I note the same low resolution image reproduction with pink (rose tinting?) background showing a coin with odd pimply fields.
Perhaps fresh out of the oven? (joke).
Cannot find it on Australian ebay, is it still there?
Fred.

[Basil]

I can't see it on Ebay Fred,listing may have been ended.I'm sure someone associated with this  Scam,other than Yuri,is reading our Posts.
All this is getting above my paygrade,experience and knowledge but the the latest one looks like work has been done around the '3' and the '1' is in the wrong position to my eyes,should be lower.  

Interesting topic thou.,i've always been interested in the dropped Indian,its amazing how many people have tried to make a name for themselves in the Coin world by 'discovering' this variety,particulary in the 1970/80's.
The 'Unicorn' is just another attempt to do the same in my view.

[jens coins]

ended listing:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1931-Dropped1-Ind-obv-Penny-dot-after-S-EXTREMLY-RARE-6P/124314141945?hash=item1cf1b344f9:g:Ai8AAOSwqQBbVoEj

new listing:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/124326697532?ViewItem=&item=124326697532

[Basil]

Different Coin i think Jen.

This Fredrick guy and his Coins are a worry,at one stage he had the same Coin photo in 3 different listing with 3 different prices.

[fred lever]

Yep, he is the one that explained about that, he replied he was old and not good with computers but if I looked I would see the photos!
I may be old as well, bit I am not stupid.
Fred.

[fred lever]

That "frederick" really needs help.

He has two 1931 dropped ones on ebay right now, for $6500 and $7670.
The photo of the coin you will receive for each auction is the same coin!
It is the coin with a spot between the OF and A on the reverse and a ding behind the head on the obverse!
Some one needs to have a word with their grandad.

Fred.

[Goldseeker]

The following are my scans of my 1931 Lazy "1" etc:



 
 


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