1911 Penny & 1911 Shilling Transfer Die Counterfeit

Cockatoo Coins · March 09, 2018, 09:10:45 AM

Mine came from Spain, 1911 shilling and 1925/3 shilling so far are the only ones I have seen, just pulled them from numis to send back.

123456789 · March 10, 2018, 04:07:59 AM

I've seen quite a few unc 1911 shilling on ebay lately and they have all come from sellers in Spain they looked to good to be fake but they probably were. Next time I see one I'll post it.
It's concerning how good these fakes are.

123456789 · March 10, 2018, 04:19:28 AM

Could this be one
Ebay 263507168732

123456789 · March 10, 2018, 04:24:56 AM

There's so many ?
302301082448

123456789 · March 10, 2018, 04:28:01 AM

1923 threepence
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUSTRALIA-1923-3-PENCE-MONEDA-PLATA-BRILLO-ORIGINAL-SC-D2-RARA-FECHA/302406106431?hash=item4668cefd3f:g:4NoAAOSwzRlZhinH

123456789 · March 10, 2018, 04:31:41 AM

1914 threepence
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUSTRALIA-AUSTRALIEN-1914-3-PENCE-SILBER-Munzen-ALBUM3-KFR/302406101343?hash=item4668cee95f:g:-ZEAAOSwgIpZhifp

123456789 · March 10, 2018, 04:35:22 AM

1917 threepence
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUSTRALIA-1917-3-PENCE-MONEDA-PLATA-BRILLO-ORIGINAL-SC-D2/302406105804?hash=item4668cefacc:g:mOoAAOSw2WBZhil2

Basil · March 10, 2018, 09:43:21 AM

If these are in fact fakes they have been around for a while.I remember reading an article/post around 2012/13 where the Author states the malformed 'M' was his key to ID the Silver forgeries.
As usual i can't find the article via Google or searches on this Forum or CCF but someone may come across it.

echidna · March 10, 2018, 11:01:52 AM

These are all fakes in my opinion.
Ideally you would compare them with others from the same dies and be able to see the same field marks.
Otherwise its the extra bit of rim around the outside that gives them away.

Basil · March 10, 2018, 11:20:26 AM

Quote from: 'echidna' pid='114422' dateline='1520641912'Otherwise its the extra bit of rim around the outside that gives them away.

Yeah,i had trouble seeing it in the Pics. of the Shillings but clearly visible on the above Coin.

For eg. these 1911 Shillings have the extra bit of Rim underneath the date but otherwise seem OK.

nealeffendi · April 25, 2018, 07:13:23 AM

UPDATE
I sent a 1911 and 1916 shilling in a recent submission to PCGS. Both are almost certainly fakes.
Both came back MS65. Not sure if that makes me :yahoo:or :swoon: as that makes them both near the very best graded.
Won't be adding them to my set registry.
No images yet but their certificate numbers are 35021221 and 35021222

echidna · April 25, 2018, 09:57:22 AM

Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='115016' dateline='1524606203'UPDATE
I sent a 1911 and 1916 shilling in a recent submission to PCGS. Both are almost certainly fakes.
Both came back MS65. Not sure if that makes me :yahoo:or :swoon: as that makes them both near the very best graded.
Won't be adding them to my set registry.
No images yet but their certificate numbers are 35021221 and 35021222

Thanks for posting these Neal.

ausproofs · April 25, 2018, 04:59:56 PM

Pictures are up gentlemen, 1911 shilling looks very real.

nealeffendi · April 25, 2018, 05:29:27 PM

Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='115024' dateline='1524641396'Pictures are up gentlemen, 1911 shilling looks very real.

A $4000 fake. I have another with the exact same scratch below the date , yours for the bargain price of $3000 :mafia:

ausproofs · April 25, 2018, 05:39:57 PM

Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='115025' dateline='1524643167'
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='115024' dateline='1524641396'Pictures are up gentlemen, 1911 shilling looks very real.

A $4000 fake. I have another with the exact same scratch below the date , yours for the bargain price of $3000 :mafia:

Do I get a discount if I buy both ? :winkextra:

BTW I hope you did not pay too much for the coins...