Coin Storage

[Fulvio]

wandering into work sites, pissed

Which is different from getting pissed and wandering onto a freeway or off a cliff or into a river or a thousand other dangerous places how, exactly?

The answer is for people to act responsibly, and not get pissed in the first place. Not for more and more legislation and bureaucracy which impacts everyone to try and save the very few from their own stupidity.

[ausjack]

enacted four or five years ago due to glaringly unacceptable workplace death and injury data. It's like a double whammy of stupidity :dash1:

I haven't worked for over ten years and this nanny thing was coming in long before then, it started around 98 and by 2000 it was in full swing as I was at the hospital then and we had to put signs and painted lines everywhere to tell people to watch their step etc so to me it's like they're trying to make people have common sense but it will never work as most people walk around in a daze and getting worse with all the hand held rubbish they're talking or looking at when they should be looking at what they're doing :dodgy:

[JeffH]

It won't matter how much the authorities try to protect people from their own stupidity; some will always find a way to enter the Darwin Awards.

"The Darwin Awards salute the improvement of the human genome by honoring those who accidentally remove themselves from it..."

[ausjack]

Yes very true Jeff.

[robbiegal]

true Fulvio
but having  responsibility to the public is quite fair IMO

people always do stupid things and get say, pissed and wander someone off the road, or on it, off the cliff ,out the window on floor 7  

within reason - it's no reason to have to die from being as normal as the bloke standing next to you
everyone makes mistakes and sadly, some make the final mistake only the once

my point was around work sites
if work sites in city areas near pubs, have fences then the inebriated patrons they can't innocently wander into the areas

or little kids scampering away from the watchful eyes of mums and dads

makes solid sense to me
sure we can do ' the don't get pissed, don't get pregnant' etc etc  and all the other moral tut tuts but people are people and there's nothing wrong with trying to keep some extras alive with some common sense practices

[Fulvio]

there's nothing wrong with trying to keep some extras alive with some common sense practices

Yeaaaah.. well... as a firm believer in the underlying concept of the Darwin Awards, I'm not sure I'd necessarily go along with that.

Honestly, there are people who are nothing but waste-of-space oxygen thieves and a little natural selection can be a good thing in their cases. :diablo:

[ausjack]

I'd like to know when pubs and clubs are actually going to implement the responsible service of alcohol laws that they bought in quite a few years ago now instead of the all mighty dollar ruling all, they need to be help accountable as much if not more than the pissed one's. Everyone working behind a bar is meant to have done a responsible service of alcohol course but NO ONE practices it and you really notice it in country towns like here and especially next month for the big july racing carnival. Yes I know some people will find a way around the law and still get grog but the bar people should be a bit stricter but then when you see them serving under age drinkers that are pissed as and the coppers also walk straight by who cares.

[autocoupler]

enacted four or five years ago due to glaringly unacceptable workplace death and injury data. It's like a double whammy of stupidity :dash1:

I haven't worked for over ten years and this nanny thing was coming in long before then, it started around 98

So true AJ, amazing how time fly's while trying to figure out how best to arrive at appropriate protection for our coins Mate :blush::mocking:

The legislation I was referring to came into being more like around 2008-09, and incidentally, in the case of any breach of safety, penalties placed at the feet of managers at all levels are such that it appears as if this alone then becomes the main driver of safety culture.

I myself have chosen to leave it to em, and in the absence of quarantining my coins in one of Fulvio's glass vacuum spheres, I've chosen to stick with what I know and place my utmost trust in saflips. :biggrin:

[nealeffendi]

I'd like to know when pubs and clubs are actually going to implement the responsible service of alcohol laws that they bought in quite a few years ago now instead of the all mighty dollar ruling all, they need to be help accountable as much if not more than the pissed one's. Everyone working behind a bar is meant to have done a responsible service of alcohol course but NO ONE practices it and you really notice it in country towns like here and especially next month for the big july racing carnival. Yes I know some people will find a way around the law and still get grog but the bar people should be a bit stricter but then when you see them serving under age drinkers that are pissed as and the coppers also walk straight by who cares.

At the club (RSL) I work at we regularly cut people off, it doesn't matter who they are (I've cut off senior managers of the club when they have had too many after work drinks), so saying NO ONE practices it is a stretch. We know most of our regulars and who drinks to excess etc so we put them on water or arrange the courtesy bus etc when they get too bad. As for under age drinkers... not a chance as anybody who looks under 25 is age verified and if they forgot their ID we either don't admit them or make them remain in limited areas of the club and can drink soft drinks. Anybody who supplies a person who is cut off or possibly under age is also directed to leave the premises.
BTW right now I'm on duty and am about to do another RSA patrol to check for anybody who might have had one too many.
Just did my patrol, nobody is drunk.
As for my main job (security on a big construction site), even fencing hardly discourages the idiots who want to climb 40-60 stories to the top of cranes to take selfies or base jump, some even regard the fence as a challenge and we regularly deal with drunken youth who are dared by their mates to climb over.

[ausjack]

enacted four or five years ago due to glaringly unacceptable workplace death and injury data. It's like a double whammy of stupidity :dash1:

I haven't worked for over ten years and this nanny thing was coming in long before then, it started around 98

So true AJ, amazing how time fly's while trying to figure out how best to arrive at appropriate protection for our coins Mate :blush::mocking:

The legislation I was referring to came into being more like around 2008-09, and incidentally, in the case of any breach of safety, penalties placed at the feet of managers at all levels are such that it appears as if this alone then becomes the main driver of safety culture.

I myself have chosen to leave it to em, and in the absence of quarantining my coins in one of Fulvio's glass vacuum spheres, I've chosen to stick with what I know and place my utmost trust in saflips. :biggrin:

Yes I have heard that they've trying to put the responsibility onto manages but for all sorts of things and some yes they should be responsible but a lot should be the people and especially if they're doing the wrong thing.

I'd like to know when pubs and clubs are actually going to implement the responsible service of alcohol laws that they bought in quite a few years ago now instead of the all mighty dollar ruling all, they need to be help accountable as much if not more than the pissed one's. Everyone working behind a bar is meant to have done a responsible service of alcohol course but NO ONE practices it and you really notice it in country towns like here and especially next month for the big july racing carnival. Yes I know some people will find a way around the law and still get grog but the bar people should be a bit stricter but then when you see them serving under age drinkers that are pissed as and the coppers also walk straight by who cares.

At the club (RSL) I work at we regularly cut people off, it doesn't matter who they are (I've cut off senior managers of the club when they have had too many after work drinks), so saying NO ONE practices it is a stretch. We know most of our regulars and who drinks to excess etc so we put them on water or arrange the courtesy bus etc when they get too bad. As for under age drinkers... not a chance as anybody who looks under 25 is age verified and if they forgot their ID we either don't admit them or make them remain in limited areas of the club and can drink soft drinks. Anybody who supplies a person who is cut off or possibly under age is also directed to leave the premises.
BTW right now I'm on duty and am about to do another RSA patrol to check for anybody who might have had one too many.
Just did my patrol, nobody is drunk.
As for my main job (security on a big construction site), even fencing hardly discourages the idiots who want to climb 40-60 stories to the top of cranes to take selfies or base jump, some even regard the fence as a challenge and we regularly deal with drunken youth who are dared by their mates to climb over.

Ok well most pubs and clubs or is it just the north coast that this happens but then when you see them on the news in sydney, brissie, melboure etc running wild at different places like the cross and sporting events like melbourne cup etc and people dying from one punch (old king hit) it makes one wonder what the hell is going on, I know a lot get a skin full before they go out or the wicked drugs they take today but even here we have the lock out laws that don't seem to work, well not here anyway.

[robbiegal]

yeah
I agree with your comments nealeffendi - my son did security for a few years and was always frustrated with other security guys not enforcing the drunk rules etc

I guess I have worked with for example, a family of a young fella and he and his mate just lobbed into a worksite (pissed of course) but near the pub they'd been drinking at
they just sought a spot to crash and did
during the night one young bloke gets up to have a piddle and falls straight off the floor's edge to his death
simple accident but cost him his life
no one was scaling high fences or the like - just seeking shelter on a cold night and probably didn't have the cab fare or too boozed to wait 2 hours for a cab in the city
since that accident they have been made to fence off work sites
 
if someone does all that other stuff like scaling walls etc, well they knowingly take the risk and yes they get killed (not unlike our recent swimming with crocodiles lady in the Daintree)

I am just for minimising risks and yup they might be dumb but it's no different to people here talking about how they teach other or new collectors on their 'hows' of either not being ripped off or how they have been ripped off , with their coin buying behaviours - it's a form of altruism which I believe is a reasonable human quality not to be scoffed at

anyways good on you for doing that security work
it is a tough gig with few thanks and yep -guys like you take care of people doing idiot things all the time - and you make sure they do make it home to their families (although I am sure there is the odd one where the families secretly wish they won't make it home!!)  - God bless you mate

[Fulvio]

penalties placed at the feet of managers at all levels are such that it appears as if this alone then becomes the main driver of safety culture.

Ah, and now we come to the real crux of the nanny state problem.

Everything is about blaming someone, and penalising them. There HAS to be a scapegoat in every situation. That's how we end up with Duncan Storrar being pilloried just for asking a simple question on Q&A. And its how we get this current spate of dob-in-a-potential-terrorist ads during an election campaign.

If our legislators REALLY cared, they would pass laws that actually achieved desirable outcomes. Got a problem with pisspots bashing people? Simple fix is to instal those breathalysers that you just breathe at, not into. Fail the test, you don't get served. But no, instead they fine management after the fact. Which is about as useless as speed cameras, where you get a fine long after you've forgotten even being out that day, let alone where it was supposed to have happened.

At the end of the day, the nanny state is all about the usual two things. Power and money. If you can take away people's independence and instil fear, you've got them by the goolies and can get away with anything, including their hard-earned.

[Basil]

no one was scaling high fences or the like - just seeking shelter on a cold night and probably didn't have the cab fare or too boozed to wait 2 hours for a cab in the city
since that accident they have been made to fence off work sites.

Its the same in Sydney,apparently the Buses and Trains don't start until 5am so they have 2-4 hours to wait if they can't afford a Cab.,so looking for somewhere safe to crash.