1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll

autocoupler · January 19, 2017, 02:04:07 PM

Noticed this die crack across the corner of D in FD on the scarcer dot above bottom scroll London obv. penny. Looks like something going on at the bottom of F and X as well.

Unicorn · January 19, 2017, 02:18:23 PM

Good eyes Auto! :good: Lovely clear photos with the last one really showing it well.

Basil · January 19, 2017, 08:46:08 PM

Yeah,nice clean dot,any chance of a photo of the full Obverse including rim?..TIA.

nealeffendi · January 19, 2017, 09:04:24 PM

:drooling::drooling: nice penny, I've never noticed the fault on the X or F as my eyes always go to the D. Are you getting this slabbed?

autocoupler · January 19, 2017, 11:37:53 PM

Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='104140' dateline='1484797703'Good eyes Auto! :good: Lovely clear photos with the last one really showing it well.

Thanks Uni, I managed to catch the old bugger with his cozzies off.:biggrin: Found a tiny spot of green death so gave him a bath in olive oil. As seen by all the fluff :shock: the pic was taken before his rinse in a detergent solution and final flush with demineralised water

Quote from: 'Basil' pid='104156' dateline='1484820968'Yeah,nice clean dot,any chance of a photo of the full Obverse including rim?..TIA.

No fluff on this one Basil :yahoo:

Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='104157' dateline='1484822064':drooling::drooling: nice penny, I've never noticed the fault on the X or F as my eyes always go to the D. Are you getting this slabbed?

One day maybe. Tell ya what neal, I'll swap it for the one used in the CAB article you and Fred did :winkextra:

nealeffendi · January 19, 2017, 11:52:38 PM

Not a chance my little 8 pearler will be swapped. I won't even part with my spares.

autocoupler · January 20, 2017, 11:13:03 PM

hehe from my memory of the dot above London coin pictured in that 1920 penny article, I reckon it would easily be the best known, would appreciate a pic if that's possible.

I see the original Geoff Raynes coin is now in Timbertops collection and top of the wazza.

gnome · January 21, 2017, 07:14:04 AM

I thought goldie purchased that one of Geoff Raines.

r9453 · January 21, 2017, 07:28:09 AM

I had a look this morning the Timbertop coin (PCGS AU50BN #33169238) is ex Benchmark collection.

Basil · January 21, 2017, 09:56:51 AM

Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='104159' dateline='1484831273'
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='104156' dateline='1484820968'Yeah,nice clean dot,any chance of a photo of the full Obverse including rim?..TIA.

No fluff on this one Basil :yahoo:

Thanks,whats the mintage on these?,must be similar to the dropped 1 Indian?

autocoupler · January 21, 2017, 09:57:23 AM

No doubt the Geoff Raynes coin has changed hands a few times, it was the coin auctioned on behalf of Jon Saxton by Nobles, and now owned by Timbertop. I think the Benchmark coin may have also been the Fenton coin, but different to the Raynes coin.

Basil, nealeffendi may have an idea on the mintage. Last I heard there were just 20 or so known to exist, but there could easily be more out there. The coin wasn't identified until 2003.

https://www.ngccoin.com/gallery/benchmark.aspx

http://www.triton.vg/raynes.html
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot/?id=334039
http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/publishedset.aspx?s=81275

Basil · January 21, 2017, 10:33:34 AM

Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='104191' dateline='1484954843'Basil, nealeffendi may have an idea on the mintage. Last I heard there were just 20 or so known to exist, but there could easily be more out there. The coin wasn't identified until 2003.

Yeah,i had/have a copy of a Pic. of the one found in Perth(2002/3?) but IIRC the Dot was very vague but perhaps i had a bad photo,it should be on my Win 98 or XP Computers,i'll try and find it.

Mister T · January 21, 2017, 01:01:59 PM

Probably only a few thousand made - there's a survey of bulk pennies somewhere and one was found out of a few thousand (I don't remember the exact numbers).

echidna · January 21, 2017, 01:13:12 PM

I think they were all released in WA.

nealeffendi · January 22, 2017, 01:42:23 AM

The Geoff Raynes coin became the Jon Saxton coin, back in 2003 I think Raynes wanted $11,000 for it. It was sold cheaply through Nobles (lot 1600 sold for $2400) and purchased by Strand Coins. Strand had it slabbed and had it advertised on its website at $18,500 IIRC in an AU50 slab. Timbertop must have purchased a few coins from Strand (Mark Greville) as he also got the top 1927 Indian that Strand also had. By chance I went past the Strand Arcade this afternoon and Strand Coins is no longer there.
Fentons coin was VF35 and sold for $3200 as lot 3225.
There are only about 20 examples that I know of and after 13 years of searching by many collectors I'm confident that they are rarer than the 1931 Dropped 1 Indian.
Echidna may be correct about them being released in WA as the most likely mint to strike them was Perth (in 1922) with an old unused reverse from Sydney and a fresh obverse die struck in 1922.