CENSUS

[trout]

The Australia Post Tracking site is down as well today

I noticed that.

[Ozcoins]

Despite all of that the Census itself is not the problem.

Tools never are. Its the idiots driving them who cause all the trouble.

In other news, my uncle came up with the ultimate way of avoiding the census entirely. He checked out permanently half an hour before midnight. R.I.P. :angel: I owe my presence in this hobby to him, and will never forget.

I am sorry to hear that Fulvio.
Please accept my condolences.

[autocoupler]

unless one of their people drops off the perch and gives us a chance to change horses early.

Oops, lets not return to 1975 when a dodgy Queensland premier departed from accepted tradition and replaced a deceased Labour Senator with a lapdog, and the rest is history. Although, Labour probably reckons they owe the Libs one :angel:

[Basil]

In other news, my uncle came up with the ultimate way of avoiding the census entirely. He checked out permanently half an hour before midnight. R.I.P. :angel: I owe my presence in this hobby to him, and will never forget.

I'm sorry to hear that as well,always sad when someone close passes on...

The ABS guy,Kalish?,was on TV/Radio on Tuesday smugly relating on how secure the data was and how the system would cope with the expected Millions logging on etc,etc.I thought to myself that would be like a red rag to a Bull for all the budding Assange's out there,stupid comments,any computer connected to the Internet or another computer that is can be hacked.

[Pedro]

It seems to me that there was so much kerfuffle in the media leading up to the Census re data confidentiality, the systems' ability to cope with the expected traffic etc that the ABS were forced to reassure the public that all would be safe and well. Unfortunately for them their confidence was misplaced and it all turned to camel droppings.

Pedro

[Fulvio]

I thought to myself that would be like a red rag to a Bull for all the budding Assange's out there

Couple things...

First up, Julian's not what I'd call a hacker in the modern popular context of the term. He's much more old-school. What you'd call a 'white-hat' these days. Interested in locating vulnerabilities in order to fix them, not exploit them. And anyway, his hacking days are a long way back in his past.

Secondly, none of this would have been a problem, except for one thing. The identifying details. The moment they demanded names and addresses, they effectively planted a 'STEAL ME' flashing neon sign in 50-foot letters, and guaranteed every media outlet in the world would cover it in detail. What criminal could possibly pass up such an invitation?

Guess why IT people pretty much all opted for paper forms? :angel:

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Oh, and as for the condolences, I'm not ignoring them, and I appreciate all the nice things you guys are saying. I just don't want to turn this into a bereavement thread, so I'm not replying individually.

[nealeffendi]

Like this crazy idea hinted at by Trump.  It might be his 'final nail' scenario.
https://www.google.com.au/#q=trump+hints+at+clinton

He didn't even hint at it, all he did was refer to the risks involved if the election was rigged (with computer voting and the Diebold fiasco it is almost certain to happen). As it is he has been pretty mild in his rhetoric compared to Clintons camp (such as Democrats  calling for Assange to be assassinated after his involvement in releasing the DNC emails that were leaked to him by a DNC staffer). BTW that staffer was assassinated a few weeks ago and makes it one of five Arkancide cases in the past 5 weeks of those who were at risk of testifying against Hillary.

[Ozcoins]

The other thing that asking for names does is remove trust that you can answer truthfully with no consequences down the track.
If you are a Christian and worried that sharia law will be implemented and Christians will be persecuted, you may not answer truthfully.
If you are Muslim and worried that all Muslims are suspected to be terrorists, you may not want to answer truthfully.
If collecting this data is important, then don't provide reasons for people to want to not provide accurate data.
It is shear stupidity to ask for names with no reason.

[trout]

I don't know why everyone is so up in arms about giving your name and address on the census The government already has heaps of your personal info, Here is a small sample of what they can use to identify you.

Medicare card
Tax file number
drivers licence
Centrelink
Firearms licence

There are many more forms that we fill out on a regular basis that probably gives away more personal details than the census and I would imagine that nobody would BS on any of the above , Tax returns exempted :angel:

[Fulvio]

The government already has heaps of your personal info

Yes, they do. But they don't have what's in the census, and anyone hacking the ABS doesn't get everything about you. Until now, anyway.

Consider this...

You identify yourself as jewish. A radical palestinian group hacks the database and gets the name and address of every jew in the country. Or a far right-wing bunch of fascists gains power, and simply looks it up.

Either way, there's a ready-made hit list for kidnapping, assassination or government gas chambers.

What's that? Couldn't happen? But it already has, hasn't it? And now tell me how different someone like Trump is to Hitler. Oh, but this is Australia, right? Yeah, so? Look at the series of retarded decisions made by both governments, certain red-heads and the voting public at large and tell me again it couldn't happen here.

[ausjack]

I'm with Fulvio as anything is possible and especially in the day and age and I'm one person that hates big brother and also the TV show of the same name :blink: I don't see why they need to know everything and I bet the politicians and the likes of Rinehart, turdbull and all the other richies don't like giving out their info either.

[trout]

I bet the politicians and the likes of Rinehart, turdbull and all the other richies don't like giving out their info either.

They would simply do what all politicians and big business do...................They LIE

[ausjack]

true, or pay the fine for not filling them out, not like they don't have the money to cover it.

[Fulvio]

Oh yay... the form finally arrived.

Now to let it mature for a month or so before putting on the creative writing hat and filling in about half of it.

[ausjack]

I like the latest debacle where auspost has scanned the bar code census says to make sure is showing in the window of the return envelope and sends the form back to the person that has sent them, and the form also shows the address it come from. So if the bar code sends it back to the person that sent it does that mean auspost is also linked to everything and has your name and address and who knows what else on file, like one of our MP's says