Grannybait

[trout]

I suspect that you have the biggest collection (or did) than all of the collectors here!

but I still disagree that they are rightfully called granny bait - I think it devalues and insults the older women in our society (me being one of them)
and it devalues the coin for what ever it is  

it is typical in this society that if people want to offend or insult - they use a female terms

just throwing out a woman's point of view here

I don't think the term is "Sexist" Gandadbait Just doesn't seem to roll off the tonge as easy as "Grannybait"
Would you prefer "Poppybait" :angel:
Lets face it these types of coins are designed to lure the new collectors in and part them from their money.
Most collectors do buy these at times but in reality they are pretty much just overpriced bullion items and most of us know them for what they are.
The term "Grannybait" has been a part of the numismatic vocabulary for quite a while now and I personally find Nothing derisive or insulting in the term it simply describes a certain coin type.
Describing it as being insulting to the older female gender and taking offence is taking this bloody political correctness too far, Get "Over it" people the term is here to stay :ok:

[Nevol]

Well, I use the term Granny Bait quite a bit, and seeing as I'm female, 72 yrs old, and a Granny, I couldn't give a hoot who else uses it.

I know that no-one is aiming the term at me personally, and I certainly don't take offense at it being used and I don't think it's any way derogatory toward females.

[Fulvio]

I think it devalues and insults the older women in our society

Where did this suddenly come from? Has the thread been edited???

Anyway, I also don't find it in any way offensive, insulting or anything of the sort.

I've known a few 'grannies' that this junk is squarely aimed at. Women (always women, I've not met a granddad yet who did this) who would buy one each for the grandkids simply because they could, and wanted to leave them something as both a memento/keepsake and hopefully value in years to come.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, or said 'grannies'. The issue, and I think the way most if not all of us look at this, is the manipulative, cynical opportunism which the mints use to prey on them. Hence the term.

There are plenty of older persons of the female persuasion (how's that for political correctness?) in this hobby. Including one I know who is 100 (and still sharp as a tack)! I'm sure we all have the utmost respect for them, and suggesting otherwise is way off base I think.

[autocoupler]

Shouldn't be surprised given the mechanics of how society is constantly  manipulated by minorities, but still unbelievable how far the long arm of social engineering can reach :diablo: As a compromise I'm thinking, Wankers Bankers, Old Codgers Dodgers, Old Farts Parts, Oldies Goldies.

[Nevol]

Where did this suddenly come from? Has the thread been edited???

No, this is a new thread. The original comment was made in Kel's "have to sell' thread.

[Fulvio]

The original comment was made in Kel's "have to sell' thread.

Aha! I see... given that I'm not reading the majority of threads lately, no wonder I missed it.

[robbiegal]

"The term "Grannybait" has been a part of the numismatic vocabulary for quite a while now and I personally find Nothing derisive or insulting in the term it simply describes a certain coin type.
 Describing it as being insulting to the older female gender and taking offence is taking this bloody political correctness too far, Get "Over it" people the term is here to stay Ok"

Sure - the term is here to stay as long as people use it
nothing to do with political correctness - just my personal opinion and I explained why I felt that way - it is an insulting term to me

there's nothing to get over except to accept that some people are very rude when it comes to others expressing their opinions and if they don't tow the line then they have something 'to get over'

it is also called that bullying or bull dozing when a person doesn't fall into the what one might consider to be the 'general consensus'

I never heard of these coins being called granny bait until I came to this forum & I have been hanging around the real world of coin collecting well for a long time before I joined internet forums

I would prefer that those mint proof issues simply aren't called granny bait or poppy bait - they are just another style of coin produced

just as how Kel reacted - some collectors who like these coins are insulted by being told their coins are nothing but granny bait crap and they are being ripped off - each has their own likes and why take away collectors enjoyment because of some collecting snobbery?

that is my point and you can talk me down but please show some respect for people having some personal investment in their collecting regardless of what it is. a simple hobby is all some ask for without having to apologise or made to feel inferior about that

[Fulvio]

take away collectors enjoyment because of some collecting snobbery?

I think you're missing the point. Almost every collector I've ever met or spoken with has been helpful to the extreme. And part of that is concern for other collectors. That's why we keep an eye out for obvious scams involving chinese fakes, doctored coins or whatever. And part of that is also rubbish being passed off as valuable collectibles.

I said "Almost", and there are sadly some notable exceptions. I've recently bailed out of two Facebook groups because the people running them turned out to be the other sort of collector, out to profit off others by keeping them ignorant and actively stifling dissenting views. In my particular case, it was related to the garbage produced by private mints such as Franklin and Macquarie.

There is nothing wrong with buying trinkets which have no long-term value. As long as you do it with open eyes, and accept that you're throwing money away. However there are people who have 'invested' tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars, only to find out decades later when they needed the money that they'd been conned.

Those are the people who need to be protected from 'Granny-bait' scams. Most of us have already been there, done that, and have cupboards full of rubbish to show for it.

[robbiegal]

I thought that most of us have cupboards full of rubbish - that is what collecting is all about

I doubt that I am missing the point - if you come along and criticise my collection because you know so much,  does that make you a caring collector friend? No you just rub it in that in your opinion, I have been taken for a fool. And that opinion is a matter of opinion. I have paid top dollar for some of my pennies - only of the value to my collecting - others would say that I have been a fool.

very few of us have a sizeable investment portfolio from coin collecting

and that is a part of what collecting is about and learning, sometimes in the hard way & getting fingers burned

but what you think is valuable or worth collecting may be different to another collector.

it's a bit like love and to the eye of the beholder

I appreciate giving people advice but there are ways to do it
I got abused by a new member here for clearly saying that the filthy old penny picture that he posted was just that - and I was accused of being mean. I just reacted to what I saw was true rubbish.

I still can't get my head around calling proof coins granny bait. if ever any member here went through the proof rooms at the mint and saw the work and specialised treatment that these coins go through to be produced then they wouldn't demean the coin with such language.

if people can't respect the coin then don't collect it. but respect that other people admire and enjoy these coins - that is all that my point  is

and yes as a feminist I don't like to use female terms to demean something and no, I will not apologise for that.

anyways, sometimes one knows when one doesn't belong

[trout]

it is also called that bullying or bull dozing when a person doesn't fall into the what one might consider to be the 'general consensus'

I just read your post RG and the only one guilty of this is you by trying to "Gag" people from using the term "Grannybait" and making a song and dance about it, It IS a valid term.
I cannot believe that you are that "Thin Skinned" Mate.

Many of us have boxes and boxes of this overpriced stuff that is only worth melt value and always was and when we finally realised that we have been taken for a "mug" we tend NOT to refer to it in glowing terms :ok:

I have been there done that and on occasion I will still buy the odd coin or two in in this "Genre" But as Fulvio said I do this with my eyes open and I know that I am paying far too much for something just because I think it is appealing .

Many of these types of offerings are advertised as an "Investment" in numismatics But nothing could be further from the truth and when people decide to sell a bit further down the track for whatever  reason they tend to feel hurt and angry because their prized "Investments" are only worth a fraction of what they paid for them.

I have been "Stung" with these baubles myself and I don't consider it to be "Bullying" letting other collectors know the truth about these Mint offerings, I am only trying to help that's all.

[robbiegal]

sorry about being thin skinned
I thought this forum was more open to people being able to express their opinions
but is seems that if people don't tow the mainstream line then they have a problem and will get hounded

what's wrong with stepping in to defend some top bloke like Kel?
the man was offended and upset

as long as he goes - oh it's ok guys put shit on my coins and tell me I am a fool - sorry guys
then it's all OK

*** bullshit Jim and you know it
Yeah I shouldn't swear sorry bout that

[trout]

I still can't get my head around calling proof coins granny bait.

I certainly don't consider Proof coins to be "Grannybait" at all for me they are the best of the best the Mint can produce, Nearly as good as the Wedding set coins :angel:
What I refer to as Grannybait is the plethora of NCLT coins with largely irrelevant themes that is churned out by the various Mints Worldwide, The ABC coins is a prime example as is the latest Play School offerings.
The Proof coins of our circulating coinage are not for everyone but I personally don't think of them as Grannybait at all .

[robbiegal]

Well i am pretty sure that kel had some of the proof subscription coins up on his for sale.  Other stuff too but a couple of what I thought were proofs. Hence my bitch

[trout]

Well i am pretty sure that kel had some of the proof subscription coins up on his for sale.  Other stuff too but a couple of what I thought were proofs. Hence my bitch

All is Good RG and there is absolutely nothing wrong with sticking up for your Mates.
Crikey you can be a Gnarly bugger when you get wound up
, We still Mates ?? :friends:

[robbiegal]

I know that you have a heart of gold mate and then other times you are a right pain in the arse .  But I can't help but like ya a lot. And I reckon we are even on the gnarly stakes! Ha ha
p's I did edit my swear word sorry if I offended and fortuneatley the mods were in bed having a nanna nap or I'd be in the sin bin for a while. But was feeling a bit hot under the collar and yeah I reckon Kel is  top bloke and a true battler and people like him need our support 100%