HM 90th Birthday

[Goldseeker]

Maybe, just maybe, that the pre orders were for the full three coin carded set only.

Did the RAM supply AustPost with the two different 20c pieces?   I don't think so.

So as far as I can see, the RAM is quite within their right to call for Pre Orders.

Maybe, just maybe people are reading to much into these things.

[trout]

Not reading into anything Bruce.
We were told that these coins were ONLY available with the pre order and it was the only way to acquire them.
We now know that they are ALSO available from the post office.

We were LIED to pure and simple :dodgy:

[jens coins]

The 20c coins are in PNC's as well.
They also have a mintage of 9000.
These are pictured on page 25 of the September / October Stamp Bulletin.
When I first seen the PNC's I wasn't sure if they had the same finish as the 3 coin set.

[trout]

So unless only 108 sets went to collectors and dealers Australia Wide RAM is full of BS :dodgy:
Ah well not the first time we have been fed a line of BS from RAM and I doubt that it will be the last

[Goldseeker]

I have sent the following email to the RAM:

"Dear Sir/Madam,

I am a keen coin collector and I purchased two carded sets of the three coin set celebrating the 90th birthday of QE11.   I was led to believe that these carded sets would be limited to 9,000 sets and the only way to secure them was to pre order.   This I did.

I am now wondering, that if these coins were technically a "limited edition" to the carded sets only, why is it that these same coins can be secured through Australia Post mounted in a PNC.

If this is the case, doesn't that make it a mockery of this carded set being a limited edition?

I would be interested to know how the RAM can advertise something one way and then go behind collectors back and do something else.

I am a member of an online coin forum and your response will be posted to that forum.

Regards,

Bxxxx M"


If and when I get a reply, I shall post here.

[LooseChange]

Goldseeker
The 3 coin set wasn't advertised as 9000 sets. It was a minted to order type deal.. if 400 people pre-order there would be 400... if 20,000 pre-order there would be 20,000 sets minted etc.

This really made me think pre-order was absolutely the only way these coins would be available...

[trout]

Don't do it Mate.
The mob that run that site much prefer that their dirty laundry stays hidden :ok:
I think the motto is "Don't let the truth spoil a good promotion" or something similar :laugh2:
Anyway say "Hi" to Dion for me and tell him it is OK to post in other forums , We won't bite his head off :ok:

[notcb]

HI,

The problem with the mintage figures is that you need to read the fine print when the "mint to order" was announced:

"The 2016 20c & 50c 90th Birthday Cu-Ni FrUnc Trio is a 'made-to-order' product of the Royal Australian Mint. The mintage of the 2016 20c & 50c 90th Birthday Cu-Ni FrUnc Trio will be closed by the Mint on June 13 2016, and the Mint will only begin dispatch of this product from August 1 2016."

So presumably an independent client of the RAM (namely Australia Post) would have placed a "made to order " of 9000 coin sets prior to the closing date of June 13th.

Australia Post places the  27,000 coins in their 27,000  PNC envelopes and markets them as a limited issue of 9000 of each PNC.

We then add to that order the orders made by collectors to get the final mintage.

In my case the 4 cards are numbered  005466 to 005469.

Makes sense to me.   One can presume that they needed to have some idea of the total mintage given the special tooling that would have been required to produce the frosting and the extra time required to produce the coins.

Cheers

Peter  (notcb)

[trout]

HI,

The problem with the mintage figures is that you need to read the fine print when the "mint to order" was announced:

"The 2016 20c & 50c 90th Birthday Cu-Ni FrUnc Trio is a 'made-to-order' product of the Royal Australian Mint. The mintage of the 2016 20c & 50c 90th Birthday Cu-Ni FrUnc Trio will be closed by the Mint on June 13 2016, and the Mint will only begin dispatch of this product from August 1 2016."

So presumably an independent client of the RAM (namely Australia Post) would have placed a "made to order " of 9000 coin sets prior to the closing date of June 13th.

Australia Post places the  27,000 coins in their 27,000  PNC envelopes and markets them as a limited issue of 9000 of each PNC.

We then add to that order the orders made by collectors to get the final mintage.

In my case the 4 cards are numbered  005466 to 005469.

Makes sense to me.   One can presume that they needed to have some idea of the total mintage given the special tooling that would have been required to produce the frosting and the extra time required to produce the coins.

Cheers

Peter  (notcb)

IF that is the case then why did RAM put the 9,108 mintage figure out there ??
IF Aus Post did indeed order 9,000 units of these sets then that mintage figure would have been 18,108.

the scenario that I am thinking is that RAM was unable to attract enough collectors/dealers orders to make this project Viable/profitable and they offered Aus Post a "Deal" and produced the extra coins.
This actually makes sense because if it was a "Kosher" arrangement where Aus post went through the same ordering system that was originally set up for these then these PNC's would have been released as soon as the other carded sets were and not a couple of Months down the track and under the radar as they are now :dodgy:

[notcb]

Trout ,

Quite possibly you are correct.  I have not seen this 9108 figure that you quote - where did that come from and was it "official"?

We await a responses to Bruce's email.

Cheers


Peter  (notcb)

[trout]

Trout ,

Quite possibly you are correct.  I have not seen this 9108 figure that you quote - where did that come from and was it "official"?

We await a responses to Bruce's email.

Cheers


Peter  (notcb)

Yes it was an official mintage announcement by RAM.
I doubt that Bruce will get a definitive answer on this as this and other forums are monitored by the SYC forum staff and this will be in the too embarrassing/Hard bin by now :ok:

[purplepennyhunter]

Trout ,

Quite possibly you are correct.  I have not seen this 9108 figure that you quote - where did that come from and was it "official"?

We await a responses to Bruce's email.

Cheers


Peter  (notcb)

The 9108 number was announced by the RAM on social media (Twitter and Facebook) on July 19th after the  cut off for pre-order on June 13th.

[trout]

The 9108 number was announced by the RAM on social media (Twitter and Facebook) on July 19th after the cut off for pre-order on June 13th.

I wonder how RAM will explain the extra 9,000 sets of these to the collectors that pre ordered them.
Maybe they will say that because these PNC coins are in different packaging that they are different coins to the HM Set :dodgy:

I think this supply of the coins for the PNC's is pretty "Underhanded" and releasing them after the dust had settled with the HM sets is just plain "Sneaky" :dodgy:

Does RAM really think that us collectors are completely stupid and that we wouldn't notice these :angel:

[interest]

The 9108 number was announced by the RAM on social media (Twitter and Facebook) on July 19th after the cut off for pre-order on June 13th.

Does RAM really think that us collectors are completely stupid and that we wouldn't notice these :angel:

With all due respect,
I don't think the RAM give two hoots what you, me, or anyone else thinks of their work.

[trout]

With all due respect,
I don't think the RAM give two hoots what you, me, or anyone else thinks of their work.

:agreed:
If they continue to pull stunts like this they will probably feel the effects when they start loosing collectors due to their actions.