1933 Half-Penny Overdate ??

[Basil]

Excellent work Basil, that photo is so clear! :good:

Thanks Uni., i have a much better eg somewhere,the remains of the 3 show clearly in the bottom bowl of the 5 and a higher grade Coin. That eg is the first one i found.

[nealeffendi]

I think all 1925 shillings are over a 3. If they are/are not clear then that is more a result of wear/tear in circulation or a worn die.

[Basil]

I think all 1925 shillings are over a 3. If they are/are not clear then that is more a result of wear/tear in circulation or a worn die.

They are Neale but i think there was more than 1 Die as some remnants of the 3 are more prominent than others.
I'll throw some Pics. up in a dedicated Thread when things are quiet on here.

Auto...received McConnelly's PDF,many Thanks to you and your Wife for making the effort.  :yahoo:

[fred lever]

Re the 1925 overdate.
I did a long article about the hub progression in shillings from 1920 to 1933 and overdates in general on shillings.: CAB aug 16 page 40. Many pictures of dates and trefoil damage.
Other print references
Jon Saxton JNNA vol 14 a great read.
David Briggs does a masterfull job involving the shillings, 1925 in great detail "Shillings" second ed page 126.
First mention of a 1925 overdate: ACR November 1964 page 7.
All required reading to understand the butchery that went on with hubs and dies resulting in all sorts of odd dates on shillings.

Cheers, Fred.

[Basil]

Yes Fred,they were in vogue in the 1960's for a while when i was at School.
This is another eg with the die crack but i have one(somewhere) where you can see the middle/lower part of the 3..
Auto.(Thanks again) sent me a copy of the 2007 McConnelly article on the 33 half,its a reprint of the 2003 article,i thought it was a newer revision but still interesting.

[Basil]

I have received a reply back from Museums Victoria on their acquisition of the 1933 Half Penny Overdate ,it was purchased for the Museum in 1979 so like most things there is nothing new in Coins.

If anyone wants a copy for research purposes i can Email them the official letter,i better not copy it here.

[Basil]

Interesting Coin just listed on Ebay,i guess USB Microscopes will give us a range of wierd Coins over the coming years.
I will copy the other Pics. for posterity Tomorrow but so far i agree with the seller,looks like the top loop of the 2 underneath(too acute angle for the top of the 3) with the Mint having two attempts to cover it with a 3 before the Die has chipped/broken or whatever,understandable with a small Coin i guess.

Edit..added some Pics.I had another good look this morning and along with the Melb. Museum Coin this proves they were modifying the(some) 1932 Half Dies to 33 along with the Penny.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1933-Half-Penny-Overdate-Broken-Die-Extremely-Rare-Mint-Error-Coin/202927462673?hash=item2f3f6b5911:g:BXEAAOSw0uReZhht

[Basil]

Anyone got an opinion or view on the Ebay Coin in my last Post?
I know there are more important things going on in peoples lives but i think this Coin is the missing link as far as 1933 Half overdates go.
Too my way of thinking it goes a long way to proving Ian McConnelly's instincts were correct and the re-entered last 3 on some 1933 half Coins,Pics. earlier in this Thread, was the Mint clumsily trying to cover the top of the 2.
On that subject i can't understand,and no-one since my School Days has explained, why the top of the 2 was so hard to cover on 33 Pennies and yet they had no problem with the lower section and tail. Wierd.

[fred lever]

Basil, just to throw a curve ball at you:
The bit of stuff poking out from under the 3may  have nothing to do with "overdating"!
It may be hubbing thing and you see weird little left over bits  that the final hub blow did not fully erase from the previous hub blow on the ,um, hub.
You will see more exaggerated hubbing mishaps as "doubling" of date numerals and rim lettering as well as bits of the inner image.
If that happens at the hub level then a lot of dies and coins are involved.
Yep I also see a lot of hand punching when changing dates on hubs causing numeral problems such as the overdates and written endlessly about them. Even made up date punches in the workshop and showed how 22/21 and 33/32 overdates could be reproduced, shown in photos in the articles. Saxton and Holland did a lot of work on the subject.
That coin needs very careful inspection under the scope to see if there are any other miss-hubs evident.
I have not looked at the Half penny myself just the Penny.

Cheers, Fred.

[Basil]

Thanks for the reply Fred,i've enclosed Pics. of a couple of my Coins i dug out last W/end,i think they also show different layers of work on the Die,but not to the same extent as the Ebay Coin, showing what appears to be the tip of a 2 showing.
The first Coin is in bad shape but does show some Die chipping/crumbling like the Ebay Coin.



Different Die and Coin but the layers can be seen along with tip.

[fred lever]

Re post #100.
Basil, the coin in the pix at the top is so horrible its hard to tell!
the coin has corrosion shortening the loop of the 3 (or the die was filling) but yeah also looks like the tip was splintering and lengthening the loop  flush with the table of the coin. Or else its all corrosion and goop!
The next two look just typical of a hub goof, when I look twice the centre of the 3 also shows a bit of hubbing messup.
All interesting.
Fred.

[Basil]

Yeah Fred,poor quality egs that i kept years ago when this half overdate thing had a bit of a surge in interest,its the only one i have that clearly shows the tip of the 2 showing similar to the O/D penny,just a shame its so corroded.
Local Coin dealer gave me a formula to try and clear it up a bit which i will try as the Coin has no value other than showing the work the Mint was doing on the 1932 Half Dies..
I think the $500 Ebay coin in the earlier Post proves they were experimenting with the 32 Die,there are 3 layers of work visible.
I'll keep looking when time allows,i want to find an eg the same as the Melb. Mint Coin,surely there is more than 1 out there as its(Melb Mint Coin ie) been in circulation.

[Basil]

Found this over the Holidays,Tip very prominent and the only eg i have so far. I have several similar Coins,2nd Photo,where there is a slight tip showing.
It appears the Mint has had 2 goes at obliterating the top loop of the 2.

[Unicorn]

Love the pics Basil!!! :good:

[echidna]

Nice pics Basil.
The version with the extra tip is much harder to find.