1933 Half-Penny Overdate ??

trout · October 09, 2017, 04:30:48 PM

The "3" on that coin just looks like it has taken a hit and has nothing to do with being an overdate .

ausjack · October 09, 2017, 08:28:58 PM

Yeah not sure about that one sorry Basil but hope one of the gurus can help.

Basil · October 09, 2017, 08:55:26 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='112226' dateline='1507528848'The "3" on that coin just looks like it has taken a hit and has nothing to do with being an overdate .

Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='112231' dateline='1507543138'Yeah not sure about that one sorry Basil but hope one of the gurus can help.

Thanks for the replies,interested in alternate views.

I can see the hit but the section in the red rectangle looks like its a separate section that blends into the top loop of the 3 about half way up.Its more evident under a Loupe at an angle but i can't get the money shot with the USB Microscope but will try again.

stevo1962 · October 09, 2017, 09:14:35 PM

Don't think there's enough there to call it an overdate Basil.I've just had 3 out of 11
1933 pennies rejected by PCGS because there wasnt enough overdate material to justify them as
an overdate in their eyes but to you and me they might be overdates but what can you do ?

Basil · October 10, 2017, 09:11:54 AM

Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='112236' dateline='1507545875'Don't think there's enough there to call it an overdate Basil.I've just had 3 out of 11
1933 pennies rejected by PCGS because there wasnt enough overdate material to justify them as
an overdate in their eyes but to you and me they might be overdates but what can you do ?

I agree,its very iffy but interested in peoples opinions as this is a different Coin to the run of the mill potential O/D.

The Vict. Museum coin is a great eg. and confirms they were experimenting with Dies. I read an opinion piece a few years ago that the 'fat' top loop of the 2nd 3 was covering the top loop of the 2 on 33 Halves.

Unicorn · October 10, 2017, 11:35:07 AM

That looks to be the case on your pics Basil, the top of that second 3 does look much thicker than the top of the first 3.

Basil · October 10, 2017, 01:37:51 PM

Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='112243' dateline='1507597507'That looks to be the case on your pics Basil, the top of that second 3 does look much thicker than the top of the first 3.

Yeah Uni.,the tip of the top loop has a small ding but it doesn't affect where it ends,the arrowed(if that's a word) section when looked at a specific angle definitely looks like its added to the top loop,not part of it if that's makes sense.

Basil · October 13, 2017, 03:57:02 PM

Hello fellow skeptics,i think i've found another variation on the 33 half overdate,this is the same Coin as in the above and previous Posts but under extreme magnification from a tabletop Microscope.
I had trouble getting the lighting correct,lot of reflections and shadows, but the 'hit' seems to be a extremely small bit of the top of the strike breaking off,or something like that.The top loop of the 2 is clearly visible at least to my eyes.

nealeffendi · October 14, 2017, 01:44:56 AM

The only way to confirm/refute the overdate is to find a couple of die markers on this coin and then search a few hundred other '33s to find more examples. If it is a genuine overdate then the other examples will also show the same defect in the top of the 3.

Basil · October 14, 2017, 10:05:23 AM

Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='112302' dateline='1507907696'The only way to confirm/refute the overdate is to find a couple of die markers on this coin and then search a few hundred other '33s to find more examples. If it is a genuine overdate then the other examples will also show the same defect in the top of the 3.

This is the only eg i've seen so far with the point of the 2 sticking out where it does.I look at all 33 halves these days but the combined total of mine and my Brothers coins would be around 40-50 so only a small sample but now i've thrown the Pics. up someone else may come across a similar Coin.
I still can't get the Pic. i want,the large Microscope i used in the last Post has a small LED light but its too bright for most Coins and is non adjustable but i'm still experimenting and will have another try next Week.

This is one of the better shots without too much glare/shadow,arrow points to the ding/indent that shows in the other Posts.Tip of 2 is clearly showing to our eyes.

Unicorn · October 14, 2017, 10:23:43 AM

Coin pathology with Dr Basil!!

Great pics! :good:

When I next find my 33s I'll have a squizz for you too Basil. (Might take me a while to get to it though I'm hopeless with time lately).

Basil · October 14, 2017, 11:36:49 AM

Good,Thanks Uni,i'll throw some Pics. up of the Coin but it seems fairly average /normal until you have a close look at the final 3 but someone may find some Die markers of some kind.
My Brother and i both agree this is a different Die to all our other 33 Halves but only because of the final 3,everything else seems the same.
Slightly better angle of the tip with less glare.

autocoupler · October 14, 2017, 12:35:35 PM

All very interesting, and without knowing a great deal about these or wishing to poo poo the subject, there are the two types that grab me. One with the added material (thicker top loop) as well as an extension from the tip of the top loop, another with just a thicker top loop. For the sake of collecting, the type with a clear extension from the tip of the top loop, is what does it for me.

ausjack · October 14, 2017, 07:51:33 PM

If you can turn the light off Basil try that and use another light source and see if that's any better.

Basil · October 14, 2017, 08:40:32 PM

Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='112312' dateline='1507972893'If you can turn the light off Basil try that and use another light source and see if that's any better.

Yeah AJ,now that the Football Seasons are over i will have a bit of spare time and will experiment.There is also a light underneath but i can block that off but the main LED points down,i've tried the clear Mylar from 2x2 but that doesn't help.I need a filter of some kind and work out how to mount it over the light.