2004 Sets

runway · November 27, 2015, 10:29:56 PM

Is the statement "DUE TO THE CHEMICAL SEAPAGE OF THE HOLOGRAM $1 IN 2004 COME ALIVE 6 COIN PROOF SETS MANY OF THE 67,795 20 CENT PROOF COINS HAVE BEEN RUINED WITH TONING" a fact?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/USTRALIA-2004-20-CENT-PR-69-DCAM-PCGS-SMALL-HEAD-FLAT-A-POP-1-HIGHEST-GRADE/111820461484?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140117125611%26meid%3De3ecc848ba874ccf84ca0ae6bef4198d%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D151896858034

AUSTRALIA

2004 20 CENTS PROOF DUCKBILL PLATYPUS

PR 69 PCGS DEEP CAMEO

SMALL HEAD FLAT *A*

SLABBED

HIGHEST GRADE

The only way to get a good proof is from one of the 16,000 Koala Baby Proof sets or a Come Alive Hologram proof set that has not toned.
COIN INFORMATION
Cert Verification #: 29961462
PCGS Coin #: 517300
Date, mintmark: 2004
Denomination: 20C
Variety: Small Head
Country: Australia
Grade: PR69DC
Holder Type: PCGS Secure™
Population: 1

Goldseeker · November 28, 2015, 11:59:49 AM

I have just this moment checked my 2004 Proof Set and all is as good as gold. No tarnishing, nothing.

Maybe that is a statement made to scare people to pay for the high price of his/her coin that one has up on EBay.

runway · November 28, 2015, 09:24:02 PM

I checked mine too Goldseeker and it's perfect too
No doubt the seller is trying the scare tactic

trout · November 29, 2015, 05:52:44 AM

I have had a few "Run In's" with this particular eBay identity and I am certain many other members have as well. :angel:

There are in fact 3 of these coins graded by PCGS at PR69 and 1 other graded at PR70, So it is NOT the single finest at all.
The $1 coin in the 2004 proof set was prone to the hologram looking a bit weird But the other coins in the sets are generally unaffected :ok:

The Small head variety in MS69 would indeed be a "condition rarity" and would command a "premium" But this is the proof coin and $80-$100 would be a more accurate estimate of its value Not $999 :ok:

runway · December 20, 2015, 10:51:07 PM

Seller has some APCGS slabs you may be interested in ?

Goldseeker · December 21, 2015, 02:45:26 PM

I recently rechecked all my four proof 2004 sets and all of them show some form of toning in four concentric circles on the obverse.

Maybe this discolouration is caused by the reverse being a painted/coloured coin.

I wonder if one could claim compensation from the RAM because of it as I paid a fortune for the four sets.

I got the four sets because of the mix of flat and pointed "A's" combinations.

trout · December 21, 2015, 02:54:03 PM

Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='82990' dateline='1450671326'I recently rechecked all my four proof 2004 sets and all of them show some form of toning in four concentric circles on the obverse.

Maybe this discolouration is caused by the reverse being a painted/coloured coin.

I wonder if one could claim compensation from the RAM because of it as I paid a fortune for the four sets.

I got the four sets because of the mix of flat and pointed "A's" combinations.

This is pretty normal with the 2004 proof sets for the Dollar coin to have that problem on the obverse .
It is probably due to the hologram treatment on the reverse.
I doubt very much that RAM will come good with a return :dash1:

Goldseeker · December 21, 2015, 02:58:05 PM

Thanks for your comment trout but there's only one way to find out if the RAM will come good.

I would be interested in how many members of this forum have the same problem.

Goldseeker · December 23, 2015, 06:01:51 PM

I sent thee RAM an email re the 2004 $1 discolouration of the Obverse and this is the reply I have just received:

Good afternoon Mr Mansfield,

Apologies for the delay in reply to your email from 21st December 2015.

I have read your email and appreciate your position. If possible can I ask that you supply a photo of the discoloured coins? This will help us determine the best course of action and possible solution for your disappointment.

Kind regards,

I have responded with four full face scans of the sets as well as a closeup of each of the four dollar coins Obverses.

I will post any further responses I get from the RAM.

I have informed the RAM that I know of other collectors with the same problem. So maybe an email to the RAM may just get us all a good result.

caivel · January 14, 2016, 11:08:40 AM

Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='83090' dateline='1450855911'I sent thee RAM an email re the 2004 $1 discolouration of the Obverse and this is the reply I have just received:

Good afternoon Mr Mansfield,

Apologies for the delay in reply to your email from 21st December 2015.

I have read your email and appreciate your position. If possible can I ask that you supply a photo of the discoloured coins? This will help us determine the best course of action and possible solution for your disappointment.

Kind regards,

I have responded with four full face scans of the sets as well as a closeup of each of the four dollar coins Obverses.

I will post any further responses I get from the RAM.

I have informed the RAM that I know of other collectors with the same problem. So maybe an email to the RAM may just get us all a good result.

I have 13 sets because I included large and small "SD" on the 20 cent coins in the permutations. They all have this problem, to varying degrees, on the $1 obverse. I look forward to the RAM's further reply.

serial · January 14, 2016, 11:41:45 AM

I have a couple of discolored sets. Can provide pics if needed

Goldseeker · January 15, 2016, 04:59:36 PM

I will give it a couple more days or so till I chase the RAM for a response to my email and coin scans.

\Will post here when I do.

runway · January 15, 2016, 10:30:44 PM

Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='83632' dateline='1452839376'I will give it a couple more days or so till I chase the RAM for a response to my email and coin scans.

\Will post here when I do.

Good luck with a response that makes sense :yahoo:

Goldseeker · February 01, 2016, 02:12:29 PM

I received the following reply from the RAM this day.

QUOTE

Yes, thank you for the pictures, they clearly illustrate the issue you speak of.

As an avid collector you would be aware that after coins leave the Mint we have no control over their handling or storage, and it is therefore very difficult to determine exactly why this discolouration has occurred. The coins are now 12 years old, and consequently due to these factors the Royal Australian Mint cannot accept liability for this issue.

However, as a highly valued customer who is known to the Royal Australian Mint as an ambassador for numismatics, we want to provide a possible solution for you. Unfortunately we cannot replace the affected coins as the coins are no longer available but the Royal Australian Mint would like to offer you something to hopefully offset the disappointment you have. We would like to offer you a $50 Royal Australian Mint Voucher for each of the 4 sets you own.

One question: is it possible to provide your RAM proof of purchase? The reason I ask is because I cannot find a record of sale in our system.

I am currently away from the office but our Head of Retail, Helen Burgess is attached to this email so she can answer any questions you may have in my absence.

Warm regards,

Andrew Eames

Andrew Eames
Sales Manager

Royal Australian Mint
Email: andrew.eames@ramint.gov.au
Denison Street, Deakin ACT 2600
UNQUOTE

May I suggest that anyone at all who has the discolouration of the $1 coin please scan your coins and a closeup of the $1 and forward the scans to the RAM as I have done.

I can't supply records of purchase from the RAM because I bought the Sets from Downies and Peter Strict and didn't keep the receipts.

It would be great to se how many more collectors are having the same problem.

serial · February 01, 2016, 04:52:34 PM

I have 4 sets discolored

All from different sources