Fake sovereign on Ebay

[drakesterling]

Buyer beware:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1917-Uncirculated-King-George-V-Gold-Sovereign-London-Mint-Item-Z094-/371402119577?hash=item56794a9999

Eric

[ausjack]

Not much chance of me buying one at the moment but thanks for the heads up Eric :hi: But it might save another member doing their money :good:

[ausproofs]

Hey Eric, I am not in to sovereigns. But out of curiosity, could you please tell us how to identify a fake Sov ?

[trout]

Here is a real 1915 Sovereign as a comparison.
Compare the two and the fake is blindingly obvious :ok:

[Basil]

Nightmare,i can never pick them from most Ebay Pics.,i have a list somewhere on what to look for and the common dates,1895 was one.
With this one the first thing is the streamer from the back of the riders helmet,horses chest is all wrong and lack of detail on the Dragon i guess.

Fake on right...

[ausjack]

there's this bit on fakes on Eric's site
http://www.drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale/news-wire/news-wire/counterfeit-gold-sovereigns
and bluesheet has this
http://www.bluesheet.com.au/References/

[Mister T]

Hey Eric, I am not in to sovereigns. But out of curiosity, could you please tell us how to identify a fake Sov ?

The rough surface and the oddly spaced date are reason for caution (see an image of the real thing: http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=143&searchlot=2564&searchtype=2).
Also, the 1917 London sovereign isn't the sort of coin you put on ebay with a 99c start price.

[Basil]

I can see differences,Dragons mouth,4 ribs instead of 5 on wing,decorations on riders chest,but this fake would pass muster easily on Ebay,imagine how many are out there.

Fake RHS.

[Unicorn]

Excellent comparison pics Basil!  :good:

[ausproofs]

Thanks Guys, blind Freddie  can now spot the difference...

[ausjack]

Yeah I'll say, the fakes chest looks totally different and just doesn't seem to have the detail and also looks like it has boots on, hands/claws on the dragon and quite a few other things when you see them side by side. The fake even looks to have a few cuds here and there.

[drakesterling]

And another:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1897-S-Victoria-GOLD-SOVEREIGN-COIN-READ-/191652712244?hash=item2c9f644f34

Eric

[Basil]

The rough surface and the oddly spaced date are reason for caution

Yeah,i can see that now,the 2nd 1 is wrong,too close to the 7(or too far from the 9) but still hard to pick to my eyes.
Coin/Stamp dealer that spoke to us for 1 Period a week back at School said an Oz. Squash Player returned from a Tournament in Egypt(?) in the 1960's with both his Squash shoes full of fake Sovereign's,if true they're all out there somewhere.

[trout]

The detail and look of the horses mouth is probebly the easyest way to spot theses :good:

[runway]

Fakes and deliberate PMD are becoming a real problem on eBay it is absolute FRAUD
Question is how can we report these to eBay?
They make it hard,the report links are bullshit,how does everyone report these?