1841 2 Anna coin

trout · June 02, 2015, 03:24:24 PM

Grades on this will be appreciated

ausjack · June 02, 2015, 05:30:27 PM

AU58

Fordprefect · June 02, 2015, 06:30:09 PM

If it gets past a Details Holder,
High XF maybe squeeze AU.

That one's fairly scarce is it not. ?

trout · June 03, 2015, 06:47:47 AM

This is why I am a bit concerned that this will come back from PCGS "Details- Cleaned"

I think they actually got the grade right (amazingly) but it looks it has had a clean and has retoned.
The reverse looks to have been struck with a rusted die going by the granulated appearance on the Queens portrait .
There were proof restrikes made of this coin but I don't think this is one of them.
I need one of these for my set so I will send it off to PCGS with my next pre decimal/world submission anyway.
It will be interesting to see how this grades .

ausjack · June 03, 2015, 07:00:04 AM

Yeah the more I look at it the more it just doesn't look right

reverse looks too shiny and obverse look to scratchy now I've had a better look

robbiegal · June 03, 2015, 08:29:57 AM

who originally graded it?
is it NGC?

trout · June 03, 2015, 08:58:32 AM

Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='73735' dateline='1433285997'who originally graded it?
is it NGC?

APCGS
It was a case of buy the coin not the holder and I took a punt on it :angel:

robbiegal · June 03, 2015, 11:37:42 AM

ok
it's genuine?
maybe a dumb question
I thought that the indian coins used the effigy where Queen Vickki has the detailed part of her royal gown covering her shoulders

not an indian coin buff here mind you
just googled - they did
learn something every day
this one in the museum pic looks totally different though

http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/51396/coin-2-annas-east-india-company-india-1841

just found one with the Dot and it is much more like your coin
though your looks more 'proof like' (sharper) compared to the museum piece
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/1368475/coin-2-annas-east-india-company-india-1841

trout · June 03, 2015, 11:50:52 AM

QuoteI thought that the indian coins used the effigy where Queen Vickki has the detailed part of her royal gown covering her shoulders

There are a few different Queen Victoria busts on Indian coins.
I will have a hunt around and find a few for you :ok:

nickwotm · June 03, 2015, 12:49:25 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='73740' dateline='1433298052'
QuoteI thought that the indian coins used the effigy where Queen Vickki has the detailed part of her royal gown covering her shoulders

There are a few different Queen Victoria busts on Indian coins.
I will have a hunt around and find a few for you :ok:

That coin looks like a fake to me.

trout · June 03, 2015, 12:51:07 PM

QuoteThat coin looks like a fake to me.

Which one? and Why?

nickwotm · June 03, 2015, 12:55:54 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='73743' dateline='1433301667'
QuoteThat coin looks like a fake to me.

Which one? and Why?

The 2 Anna, I love East India Company coins, and that doesn't match with a normal 2 Anna. The words Queen Victoria should be running along the sides not both up the top half of the coin. The font is wrong in my limited opinion.

The reverse looks wrong, but I am not at home, so I can't grab a couple to compare. Otherwise I would quickly. There are two different types, this maybe of the other type.

I have been wrong before however.

trout · June 03, 2015, 01:06:10 PM

these are my images and the ones from the Museum :ok:
looks like a match to me

ausjack · June 03, 2015, 01:47:50 PM

they look totally different to me

If yours isn't a proof trout I don't know what's going on, writing and that is sharper on your coins and the denticles look different, longer and more uniformed.

trout · June 03, 2015, 02:19:27 PM

Here are some images after I had cracked this coin out.
2 different lighting settings.
Not sure what is going on with the Queens face But it looks so
suspiciously like the coin was struck from a Rusty die.