Wedding Sets

[trout]

I think I posted these elsewhere, they are very likely part of the 20k submission:

You may have something there, these also have the strange images and they are a standard submission as well.
Maybe these types of images are indicative that they are from the 20,000 bunch.
At least they have "Wedding Set" as a pedigree but are still listed on the pop charts as MS.

[wwwww]

Hello,

Thanks for the link. Is it just a proof regular Coin then ?

This is a quote from an email I received from one of the people at RAM.

The dies for these coins were polished to the same quality as proof dies, however no frosting was applied - to maintain the uncirculated appearance. The proof polishing process is extremely labour intensive, done by hand with tiny tools under binocular microscopes. The blanks used for Gem Uncirculated coins were proof blanks, of a higher quality than circ/unc blanks. The blank preparation process for proof coins was also followed, which uses a variety of techniques to purify, or clear the blank surface of defects (pickling, burnishing, heat treatment etc.). Finally the coins were struck as per proof coin process, on a proof press, hand loaded and inspected, struck four times precisely, and then encapsulated. These coins were absolutely unique,

I imagine that these coins could be described as "Specimen" or even Unfrosted Proofs.
They are certainly NOT your "Run of the Mill" Business strike coin by any means.

If you are able to visit a coin shop ask to have a look at one of these sets for yourself :ok:

These are almost identical to some issues from New Zealand and Canada which PCGS slabs as PL.

I would suggest PL as the most appropriate designation.

[trout]

These are almost identical to some issues from New Zealand and Canada which PCGS slabs as PL.

 I would suggest PL as the most appropriate designation.

Whatever they do now will be a case of too little too late.:dodgy:
When I first suggested to PCGS to attribute these coins differently  the silence to my MANY requests and emails containing the relevant information was deafening , there were only about 75-100 of the wedding set coins graded back then and it was a "Doable" proposition.
Now that there are literally hundreds of these wedding set coins mixed up in the MS graded coins it is pretty much a logistical nightmare for PCGS to rectify this and I fear that it will be put into the "Too Hard Basket" and nothing will be done now :dash1:

It is NOT as if PCGS are unaware that these coins are indeed a totally different strike to the Business class strikes, I  have been nipping at their heels about this for the last 3 years and I doubt that I have been alone in this.

It will probably take another 30-40 years for these to be recognised because that is about the speed that the numismatic community takes to get off its arse and do anything and in the meantime the deception will continue:dodgy:

[r9453]

It is NOT as if PCGS are unaware that these coins are indeed a totally different strike to the Business class strikes, I  have been nipping at their heels about this for the last 3 years and I doubt that I have been alone in this.

Somebody has managed to get the 'Wedding Set" added to the above coins although they have the same PCGS No. as business strikes. This is nice for the owners of these particular coins but what about all the other "Wedding Set" coins already graded.

Not only that, previously ex Wedding Set coins received lower grades as a matter of course, would you agree? By lower grades I mean lower than MS69 - MS70 which they seem to be getting now.

[trout]

Not only that, previously ex Wedding Set coins received lower grades as a matter of course, would you agree? By lower grades I mean lower than MS69 - MS70 which they seem to be getting now.

By the look of that scratched up 2007 50c that got a MS69 grade I would say that most of the previous MS69 coins would probably go up a grade if resubmitted I suppose.
It would probably be a cheaper option just to grab some new sets and just submit the coins in them as these would be "Fresh" and won't face the possibility of getting damaged at the crack out stage.
These sets are still quite easily sourced and are still priced quite reasonably at the moment.

Whichever way you went about it there will be an added expense that would not have been necessary if only PCGS had done their job properly in the first place.
I DO feel for the poor buggers that have had their set registry sets "Swamped" by the introduction of all these MS70 grades after going to all the effort and expense adding the "Then" top graded MS69 coins to their sets.

With the consistent high quality of these Wedding set coins I am struggling to understand as to why all of a sudden PCGS has finally decided to grant them with in most cases a well deserved MS70 grade now and not previously.

At the moment PCGS is looking like a 3 ring circus and all the clowns and cowboys are on a drunken rampage in the centre ring.
I have NO idea what is happening at PCGS at the moment But they are certainly NOT inspiring me with much confidence in them as of late with their antics.
I have spent a lot of time and effort trying to have this issue with the wedding set coins addressed by PCGS over the last 3 years and all of it has been to absolutely NO avail whatsoever.
I have also been subject to some derision and abuse because of my tenacity in this But I shrugged that off and kept at it regardless .
With what has happened recently I will now just have to throw in the towel as it has gone too far for me to have any chance of getting redress on this.
I do feel Sad, Angry and frustrated but there is absolutely NO chance now for me to get a favourable outcome in my endeavours trying to get PCGS to attribute these coins differently.

[trout]

I am willing to bet that this is a Wedding set submission and none of these have the wedding set pedigree.
By the look of it someone has picked the eyes out of a few wedding sets to build this submission, It looks like a dealers submission because most collectors would have sent the entire sets in for grading.
https://www.pcgs.com/Membership/sharedorder.aspx?OrderNo=21072567&Year=2016&Month=7

[r9453]

"Up for auction starting at just $20 is this stunning triple Struck on a proof planchet 2009 50 cent"

Eventually sold on facebook $30:

[trout]

Eventually sold on facebook $30:

As long as the coin that is imaged is the coin the buyer receives $30 is pretty reasonable for a 2009 50c of this calibre.
However at the moment it would be a better option to buy the 2009 Wedding Set for $75-$100 and get all 6 coins :ok:

[LooseChange]

If you could have only one year of this set, which would it be?
Im considering buying a single set.

[trout]

2002, 2003 and 2005 have the commemorative coins in them all the rest have standard designs, it all depends what you want :ok:

[r9453]

2002, 2003 and 2005 have the commemorative coins in them all the rest have standard designs, it all depends what you want :ok:

Good point, although a C of A might be nice. Maybe look for the cheapest set intact.

[LooseChange]

Im interested in the finish on these coins, i have no bias towards any particular year but would prefer the coins to be all standard designs. I just want to get a set so i have an example of this type of finish on an Australian decimal coin. I guess what i need to know most is are all Wedding sets the same finish?
Hopefully my questions make some sense.

Edit: I see some are proofs, i like the fully polished type finish.

[trout]

All the Wedding sets from 2002-2009 have the same finish :ok:
The quality of these wedding set coins isn't that well known But that seems to be changing lately and as more and more collectors realise just how good the coins in these sets are the scarcer they will become.
These sets are still pretty easily sourced at the moment with prices ranging from about $80-$130 But the sets from certain years are already getting hard to find.
I would suggest that if you want one or more of these sets that you buy them sooner than later because as the word gets out about these the more expensive they will become :ok:

[LooseChange]

Thanks, that answers my question, now to search for a bargain

[trout]

Thanks, that answers my question, now to search for a bargain

I just had a look on eBay and there are a couple there at about the $90 mark.
I am still looking for a 2007 set to complete my second complete wedding set collection, This seems to be one of the scarcer years for some reason.
Maybe it is the low mintage MOR coin that is in this set that is the reason it is a bit scarce, As the wedding set coin would be a far higher grade than the mint set or pnc coins.