1928 Shatow Shilling. Any around?

[nealeffendi]

If collectors are actively hunting for the fakes (and presumably turning down real coins) then it would seem that the fake coins are more collectable than the real coins. I was once outbid on a Maunders fake by another bidder who was prepared to pay 5X the price for a genuine Maunders than similar real florins were going for.
What is to stop someone adding a dot to the emus leg and tooling the grass of a real shilling to rip off an unsuspecting collector who thinks they are buying a genuine Shatow fake? Is there even a numismatic or legal term for faked counterfeits?

[Sapyx]

Making a "fake counterfeit" is, of course, perfectly legal, since the "genuine counterfeits" have no legal protection as coins. Deliberately selling a "fake counterfeit" as a "genuine counterfeit" would constitute fraud, but the onus of proof would be on the accuser, to prove the seller knew the item was not as described. This lack of legal protection will (or should, if humans were logical) cause prices for contemporary counterfeits to be lower than supply and demand alone would indicate. Still, paying more for fakes than for genuine coins has a long history. Pliny recorded people doing it in ancient Roman times.

If you want terminology to describe them by, I would suggest the accurate but rather unwieldy "modern replica of a contemporary counterfeit".

[purplepennyhunter]

Both the 1928 shillings and the 1926-31 florins get a mention in Tom Hanley's classic book "Collecting Australian Coins", too.

Thank you, an interesting read.

In researching these coins it seems there's the real story and then what's written in "The Shadow" and the two are easily morphed together for a non-exact recount of events.

[Nevol]

:scratch_one-s_head: Where does the term '1928 Shatow Shilling' come from?

[gnome]

Pretty sure Twibble and Maunders never knew each other.

[r9453]

http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=300073&utm_source=api&utm_medium=api&utm_campaign=828f4d948d537cf

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16905648?

[markn]

Interesting that this should be brought up again.  We updated the original article on this shilling a couple of times last year.  Including once when we managed to buy another of these "Swatow" 1928 shilling forgeries.  Funnily enough we bought it as an "upset" error from a dealer's books but recognised it for what it really was.  Even more funny was when we got it home we realised it was the VERY SAME coin that was used in the 2009 CAB article about these forgeries that Ian McConnelly wrote.  Somewhere along the line the true origins of the coin were lost and it ended up being sold as something else completely!

Article can be found here

[Mister T]

Funnily enough we bought it as an "upset" error from a dealer's books

How upset is it? And is the other one upset or not?

[echidna]

Funnily enough we bought it as an "upset" error from a dealer's books

How upset is it? And is the other one upset or not?

This example has a slight upset - about 5%.

[Nevol]

Ah Ha! So they're Swatow shillings, not Shatow.  Now I get it.

Thanks Mark.

[markn]

I found another one of these this weekend!  While not actually worth anything it's always a rush to look for something and then find it!

[echidna]

Very nice.
They are definately worth something to the right collector !

[gnome]

I'm still chasing one if and when you may want to unload it.

[Basil]

Not Shatow but post depression fake.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Early-Australian-One-Shilling-Forgery-/282285355239?hash=item41b984b0e7:g:jScAAOSw44BYSo7u

[gnome]

Picked this up in Brissy and have nearly convinced myself it could be one.
Has a blob below/near emu's leg, has a small cud down lower left of emu, grass is pretty mashed up, but under a magnification, lines can be seen.

Is there, also anything/ difference  in the left side bottom arrow near the 1.