Noble Auction

stevo1962 · November 19, 2014, 06:55:01 PM

Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='62598' dateline='1416378180'nice 1921 you got yourself there Stevo

Thanks Robbie it was a bit of a gamble so I hope its ok

robbiegal · November 19, 2014, 07:42:30 PM

I think that is the name of the game. My guess is MS62 RB although if that is PVC damage then you are in strife I suppose

echidna · November 19, 2014, 09:05:39 PM

Quite a few pics were out of focus.
And the photo resolution (500 x 500) has never been good enough anyway.
For expensive stuff its poor I reckon.
I bought a few half sovs and paid well over estimate.
Hope they are OK...

My guess for that 21 halfpenny is 63RB.
Maybe 63+
I almost bid on it myself.

stevo1962 · November 19, 2014, 09:14:37 PM

Quote from: 'echidna' pid='62602' dateline='1416393339'Quite a few pics were out of focus.
And the photo resolution (500 x 500) has never been good enough anyway.
For expensive stuff its poor I reckon.
I bought a few half sovs and paid well over estimate.
Hope they are OK...

My guess for that 21 halfpenny is 63RB.
Maybe 63+
I almost bid on it myself.

Thanks Dave it is always hard to nail down a grade from their photos so remote bidding will always be a gamble especially when there is stiff competition and you end up paying over the odds

wwwww · November 20, 2014, 08:21:26 PM

echidna did you win the 1891-S Choice Unc 1/2 Sov with the $1000 estimate?

That coin was a stunner, I put it at MS62+ in my books (commercial UNC Victorian half sovs are rarely MS slabbable so a 62+ grade is incredibly high).

It sold for 2 or 3 times the estimate though still a good buy.

echidna · November 20, 2014, 08:40:04 PM

Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='62640' dateline='1416477086'echidna did you win the 1891-S Choice Unc 1/2 Sov with the $1000 estimate?

That coin was a stunner, I put it at MS62+ in my books (commercial UNC Victorian half sovs are rarely MS slabbable so a 62+ grade is incredibly high).

It sold for 2 or 3 times the estimate though still a good buy.

There was a bidding war on that one.
It looks like I got it in the end.
I have never seen one in UNC.
Even at MS62 I'd value it much higher.

dreamcatcher · November 20, 2014, 11:20:44 PM

I bid for the first time with Noble this week.

I was disappointed with the experience as I felt the postal bidder's representative often calls out the bidders maximum bid rather than letting the auctioneer start the bidding at or below the estimate and letting the demand determine the price.

I just felt they didn't look after the interests of postal bidders. Can anyone comment on this?

stevo1962 · November 21, 2014, 06:43:28 AM

Quote from: 'dreamcatcher' pid='62655' dateline='1416487844'I bid for the first time with Noble this week.

I was disappointed with the experience as I felt the postal bidder's representative often calls out the bidders maximum bid rather than letting the auctioneer start the bidding at or below the estimate and letting the demand determine the price.

I just felt they didn't look after the interests of postal bidders. Can anyone comment on this?

I have noticed that as well.It is a bit unfair and they shouldn't be doing it

autocoupler · November 21, 2014, 10:39:08 AM

I suspected the same after hearing a couple of opening bids that were way above the current starting point following the end of preliminary internet bidding. It flys in the face of what is documented on how the bidding will be progressed.

I had placed an early internet bid on one lot of which I was the high bidder at the completion of the preliminary round. Didn't see how the live bidding ensued, but I didn't win the coin and was the underbidder. Sure does put a bad taste in the mouth to think they may have submitted my top limit as the opening bid, not that it matters greatly on this occasion as I didn't win the coin. But if that one person who wanted the coin more than I did had not bid, I was gauanteed to pay an amount equal to my upper limit.

Not happy if this is what is happening.

trout · November 21, 2014, 10:46:28 AM

I MUCH prefer numisbid, It runs just like a regular auction.
NO shenanigans like the Noble auctions :good:

wwwww · November 21, 2014, 08:27:57 PM

Most public auction houses start bidding at the highest bid of the highest postal bid, in my experience only Edlins (and Numis Bid) do it properly (start at one step above the 2nd highest bid and bid on behalf of the postal).

Quote from: 'echidna' pid='62642' dateline='1416478204'
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='62640' dateline='1416477086'echidna did you win the 1891-S Choice Unc 1/2 Sov with the $1000 estimate?

That coin was a stunner, I put it at MS62+ in my books (commercial UNC Victorian half sovs are rarely MS slabbable so a 62+ grade is incredibly high).

It sold for 2 or 3 times the estimate though still a good buy.

There was a bidding war on that one.
It looks like I got it in the end.
I have never seen one in UNC.
Even at MS62 I'd value it much higher.

You won't regret it, I dropped out at $2500 as I wanted a fighting chance on the pre-decimal proofs. I won the 1864 1/2Sov which I rated at AU58 - I'm guessing I got that cheap because the obverse is softly struck.

echidna · November 21, 2014, 08:56:20 PM

Quote from: 'dreamcatcher' pid='62655' dateline='1416487844'I bid for the first time with Noble this week.

I was disappointed with the experience as I felt the postal bidder's representative often calls out the bidders maximum bid rather than letting the auctioneer start the bidding at or below the estimate and letting the demand determine the price.

I just felt they didn't look after the interests of postal bidders. Can anyone comment on this?

There is often dodgy stuff going on with such auctions.
And they treat most bidders very poorly.
I have had shocking experiences with these big auction houses.
But at the end of the day they have the best coins.

echidna · December 14, 2014, 06:55:03 PM

Got a couple in the latest Nobles auction.
Including this nice half sov.
To their credit they took a return on another item that had been badly cleaned.
I dont trust their grading 100% and the pics are not the best but good to know you can send it back if there is a problem.
Far better than some of the other auction houses that are a "House of horror" when it comes to returns.
Cant mention any names of course...

Nightparrot · December 14, 2014, 08:51:17 PM

Quote from: 'echidna' pid='63681' dateline='1418545503'Got a couple in the latest Nobles auction.
Including this nice half sov.
To their credit they took a return on another item that had been badly cleaned.
I dont trust their grading 100% and the pics are not the best but good to know you can send it back if there is a problem.
Far better than some of the other auction houses that are a "House of horror" when it comes to returns.
Cant mention any names of course...

Good to know Nobles will take returns if something is amiss.

Basil · December 14, 2014, 09:09:05 PM

Quote from: 'echidna' pid='62704' dateline='1416565580'There is often dodgy stuff going on with such auctions.
And they treat most bidders very poorly.
I have had shocking experiences with these big auction houses.
But at the end of the day they have the best coins.

FWIW i agree 100%,its extreme buyer beware with any auction,so easy to manipulate the end result up or down.