grading help

[nealeffendi]

How SECURE are non PCGS images? If you ever want to sell the coin and the prospective buyer finds the only images are not official but some back alley jobs  then what happens? They will assume that the slab is a Chinese fake because all genuine Secure coins should have legit images.
I understand that you have no intention of selling, but you (or your heirs) might need the money.
How long is the period that PCGS will reslab "mechanical errors", forever or a statute of limitations type of time limit?
And good on you Mark for raising it on the PCGS forum. Lots of heavy hitters over there who can get the attention of management.

[trout]

How SECURE are non PCGS images? If you ever want to sell the coin and the prospective buyer finds the only images are not official but some back alley jobs  then what happens? They will assume that the slab is a Chinese fake because all genuine Secure coins should have legit images.
I understand that you have no intention of selling, but you (or your heirs) might need the money.
How long is the period that PCGS will reslab "mechanical errors", forever or a statute of limitations type of time limit?
And good on you Mark for raising it on the PCGS forum. Lots of heavy hitters over there who can get the attention of management.

The images supplied via secure plus at the moment are pretty much useless to identify any coin given the quality of them.
A decent photo regardless of who takes it will identify the coin without any doubt
The bar code and the cert # are enough to ensure that the coin is a genuine PCGS graded and certified coin when the coin is sold.
As far as the coins in my set registry go I would much rather a quality photo accompany the coin than a shabby secure image :ok:
Even armed only with my amateur photographic skills even  I can come up with a far superior image than PCGS

[nealeffendi]

Trout,for most pre decimals the image is as good as a mug shot. All the bumps and tarnish do that.
The counterfeiters have been known to copy details from a real slab to a fake slab and insert a lower grade coin into the fake slab (the other option is to carefully crack a real slab and replace the coin with a lower  grade). Put a MS64 Canberra into a MS66 slab and  pocket an easy grand, the real slab can be sold later or cracked out for resubmission. With an image the buyer of the counterfeit slab will enter the number and see differences in the coin.

[trout]

Trout,for most pre decimals the image is as good as a mug shot. All the bumps and tarnish do that.
The counterfeiters have been known to copy details from a real slab to a fake slab and insert a lower grade coin into the fake slab (the other option is to carefully crack a real slab and replace the coin with a lower  grade). Put a MS64 Canberra into a MS66 slab and  pocket an easy grand, the real slab can be sold later or cracked out for resubmission. With an image the buyer of the counterfeit slab will enter the number and see differences in the coin.

Out of focus and out of frame, Bloody AWSOME mugshot this could be any coin.

[Fr45h3R]

I want to know what my coins are being put on to be photographed.
From the looks of it, it looks automated to some extent ?

[robbiegal]

yeah - i'd agree
they might have some sort of a conveyer belt or something like that

[Robster]

Looks like an 'ejector arm' on a slidey, scratchy metal surface.! :dontknow:

[trout]

These are MY images of the same coin taken through the Perspex of the slab with a point and shoot camera, Surely this mob has high end equipment manned by professionals.
Yair Right :dash1:  

[markn]

Serial and Trout can you please PM me the cert numbers of the coins that haven't been cropped properly.

[trout]

When I fill in my submission form (By Hand) I don't put the PCGS number in the column for 2 reasons,
a/ I wouldn't have a clue what the number is
b/ That is part of what I am  paying PCGS to do so I let them do their own work.
All the coins go in individual saflips with a sticker stating the coin # and submission #
The coins are the securely padded and double packaged for posting.

[serial]

Is that picture taken with your new camera trout?
Because it is good!

[trout]

Is that picture taken with your new camera trout?
Because it is good!

No, I haven't received my new setup yet.
Maybe next week it should be here :good:

[trout]

I am spewing.
I just noticed that I inadvertently ticked the "Secure" box on my other submission of 20 coins that haven't been graded yet.
IF I have the same problem again with the images I will be demanding a refund for the extra $100 the submission will cost me.
As far as I am concerned they will have failed in their contractual obligations if they stuff it up again.
I am SOOO glad I didn't opt for the secure option on the 65 coin submission I sent in last week :yahoo:

[markn]

Trout and Serial can you check the secure plus images again on the cert numbers you gave me to get fixed up?

[trout]

Trout and Serial can you check the secure plus images again on the cert numbers you gave me to get fixed up?

ALL sorted.
Why can't they check the images in the first place instead of having to fix things after people  whinge about them.