Gallery Press Mishap

[autocoupler]

That's why its a pointless excercise to track them. :angel:

For some maybe, but not everyone, depends on the motive. My main interest is in the gallery press dollars from 1991 to 95 and their reported low mintage. If it can be shown that on average very little maintenance occurs on the current presses considering their higher mintage output, it's not too unreasonable to suggest the presses in 1991 to 95 may have received zero maintenance given their reported much shorter period of operation and consequently very low mintage.

In this instance the various positions of the edge milling on these early coins are known and have been documented. In an effort to keep the naysayers at bay :angel: and within reason, I'm trying to construct a valid argument  from a point of minimal to zero die repositioning, confirming that the relevant positions for those years can be relied upon as being unique and a legitimate marker.

[Fulvio]

the relevant positions for those years can be relied upon as being unique and a legitimate marker.

But to what end?

If you hit something with a hammer, who cares WHICH hammer it was? And that's exactly what we're talking about here. The coins are exactly the same regardless of which press they came from.

[autocoupler]

The coins are exactly the same regardless of which press they came from.

No they're not, I think you're missing my point here. The unique position of the edge milling segment in relation to AUSTRALIA can be and is a reliable method of distinguishing a visitors gallery press coin from one that came from your normal garden variety production press. IMO this is of the utmost relevance when applied to galley press coins from 1991 to 1995 for reasons expressed earlier.

[Fulvio]

utmost relevance

Clearly we're not going to reach agreement on this one.

[trout]

The coins are exactly the same regardless of which press they came from.

No they're not, I think you're missing my point here. The unique position of the edge milling segment in relation to AUSTRALIA can be and is a reliable method of distinguishing a visitors gallery press coin from one that came from your normal garden variety production press. IMO this is of the utmost relevance when applied to galley press coins from 1991 to 1995 for reasons expressed earlier.

What is to say that the collar on the standard press coins can't be the same alignment as the gallery press coins ?

[nealeffendi]

The coins are exactly the same regardless of which press they came from.

No they're not, I think you're missing my point here. The unique position of the edge milling segment in relation to AUSTRALIA can be and is a reliable method of distinguishing a visitors gallery press coin from one that came from your normal garden variety production press. IMO this is of the utmost relevance when applied to galley press coins from 1991 to 1995 for reasons expressed earlier.

What is to say that the collar on the standard press coins can't be the same alignment as the gallery press coins ?

There is an easy way to determine that. If many coins are found in circulation with the same alignment then it is safe to say that at least a portion of standard press coins were of the same alignment as gallery press coins. But if a search of large numbers of circulation coins fails to find the same alignment then autocouplers research and conclusions are valid.

[trout]

There is an easy way to determine that. If many coins are found in circulation with the same alignment then it is safe to say that at least a portion of standard press coins were of the same alignment as gallery press coins. But if a search of large numbers of circulation coins fails to find the same alignment then autocouplers research and conclusions are valid.

:agreed:
But how many collectors actually look at where the segmented reeding is aligned on our Dollar coins ?
The 3rd side of a coin is a pretty neglected area.

[autocoupler]

utmost relevance

Clearly we're not going to reach agreement on this one.

Yeah, the term utmost, probably a bit strong when talking about something with the odd shade of grey as this subject. But at least you know I'm a believer

Seriously, the discussion trout and nealefendi were having about the possibility of a production press alignment being the same is a valid point, but the odds of that happening are less than not IMHO.

Back in 2007 when that CAB article; The Canberra Connection, was published, I set myself a task of locating an example of each coin as per the edge reeding recorded in the article for the subject years 1991 to 95. After at least three or four years searching I did manage to find examples of most with the relevant edge reeding positioning, one of which was  confirmed by the previous owner as being from the gallery presses, the rest had no provenance to speak of other than being extremely hard to locate.

One in particular which proved elusive was the 1995 Waltzing Matilda C mm, ironically a second example was found fairly soon after the first and it was this coin which spent it's life rattling around in a draw that was confirmed by it's previous owner as being from the gallery press. I actually forwarded this coin on too a forum member not long after.

Funnily enough, not too long ago Pedro pulled a 1995 Waltzing Matilda C mm from circulation which he posted somewhere on the forum, and it displayed the same edge reeding position as recorded in the article.

As nealefendi alluded to previously, if these coins have identical counterparts from the production presses circulating out there in collections, at auctions, under dealers countertops or on the internet, they shouldn't be that difficult to find. It's my experience they are extremely scarce items.

[Fulvio]

Look, I get it. Really I do. But... I don't care. And neither do almost all collectors. Life's too short and there are more productive pursuits.

You talk about rarity. Then why aren't flaws worth millions? They are, after all, unique. There is only a single example of each in existence, so they should be worth far more than common coins like 1930 pennies, right? :diablo:

[gnome]

Got a folder full of impurities and flaws, just waiting to go. Bring it on

[Unicorn]

I think anyone who is into varieties in a big way (whether they be the Renniks Varieties of pre-decimal or just decimal varieties) would have both the variations on their checked off / shopping list.

When Pedro put up his post, I for one double checked the one's that I'd sold. Fortunately they were the garden variety, not the true gallery press ones.

A variety is a variety after all.

[autocoupler]

Look, I get it. Really I do. But... I don't care.

Just trying to point you in the right direction, sadly I think you are lost to the world of non believers :angel: Whatever floats our boats, and I'm having fun :yahoo:

As you mentioned 1930 pennies, there are plenty of collecting themes where items are much scarcer than those old coppers, but popular media driven familiarity has always held sway. Many of the ever increasing popular penny varieties are good examples where acknowledgement and inclusion in the catalogues had been resisted, but in spite of this have slowly become more known to the point where their values have risen considerably in the face of don't care attitudes by the editors and publishers. Oops.....getting off topic

[trout]

Good on ya Auto, stick to your Guns Mate.
We All have very different collecting goals/ideas and that is the way it should be otherwise we would be as booring as bats poop
I have been there done that with the Don Quixote thing Mate So stay with your quest because those Bloody Windmills will eventually fall If you persevere long enough :wavemulticolor:

[runway]

The coins are exactly the same regardless of which press they came from.

No they're not, I think you're missing my point here. The unique position of the edge milling segment in relation to AUSTRALIA can be and is a reliable method of distinguishing a visitors gallery press coin from one that came from your normal garden variety production press. IMO this is of the utmost relevance when applied to galley press coins from 1991 to 1995 for reasons expressed earlier.

What is to say that the collar on the standard press coins can't be the same alignment as the gallery press coins ?

There is an easy way to determine that. If many coins are found in circulation with the same alignment then it is safe to say that at least a portion of standard press coins were of the same alignment as gallery press coins. But if a search of large numbers of circulation coins fails to find the same alignment then autocouplers research and conclusions are valid.

There is a difference between the visitor gallery coins and main press coins :wavemulticolor:

[Hercules]

When I was at the Ekka last year, they told me specifically that they wouldn't let me do a double strike, because (apparently) people try to create error coins and make a fortune out of them. They even checked it before they gave it to me, just to make sure that it hadn't been double-struck. Although I didn't mind at the time, I'm beginning to wish that I could do multiple strikes, because I could really use an extra $6000.