Gallery Press Mishap

[autocoupler]

Are the presses thought of as being numbered

Could I ask why it matters? I seem to recall quite a discussion some time ago about which press coins were struck on... :dodgy:

I remember that discussion as well. All to do with the positioning of the edge milling in relation to the letters of AUSTRALIA in the legend. It was thought that this could be a way of distinguishing which coins were from the Visitors or Internal presses. Oops not addressing the question am I:dodgy: With all this in mind some may think it good to be able to distinguish one visitors press from the other :yahoo: A very interesting CAB article a few years ago dealt with the same thinking in reference to the early MYO's off the visitors press from 1991, 92, 93, 94, 95. I think there was just one press in those days.

[runway]

Are the presses thought of as being numbered

Could I ask why it matters? I seem to recall quite a discussion some time ago about which press coins were struck on... :dodgy:

VARIETIES ...that's why

Are the presses thought of as being numbered

Could I ask why it matters? I seem to recall quite a discussion some time ago about which press coins were struck on... :dodgy:

I remember that discussion as well. All to do with the positioning of the edge milling in relation to the letters of AUSTRALIA in the legend. It was thought that this could be a way of distinguishing which coins were from the Visitors or Internal presses. Oops not addressing the question am I:dodgy: With all this in mind some may think it good to be able to distinguish one visitors press from the other :yahoo: A very interesting CAB article a few years ago dealt with the same thinking in reference to the early MYO's off the visitors press from 1991, 92, 93, 94, 95. I think there was just one press in those days.

That's correct mate .... CAB has covered this,edge reeding is fascinating :blush:

[Goldseeker]

I have been informed that edge reeding does not matter in determining which press the coins were minted on.

I spent may hours, listing all the reed positions on $1 coins from 1988 to about two years ago.   I must as well done something else instead.

I still have my charts somewhere on my hard drives but because of information received, I have not plotted the reeding alignment for about two years.

[robbiegal]

agree
I have been told that the reeding is neither here nor there
and when I've asked which press is 1 or 2,  I have never been given a straight answer either
might try again next time i'm down there

[Fulvio]

might try again next time i'm down there

My guess is they can't give you a straight answer because they really don't care. Which machine a tool is strapped into is irrelevant... only the tool and the end product matter.

[Goldseeker]

The old RAM Gallery presses in the front building were numbered press 1 and press 2, there were signs up for these.   The furthest from the front of the RAM corridor was press No 1 and the closest was Press no 2.   I smashed press No 1 when doing one of the coins on January 1 and I can't recall what coin it was.   I shall have a gander at the newspaper photo and advise a little latter.

Now, in the new building, Press no 1 is closest to the gallery stairs/steps.   Press No 2 near the back wall.

[runway]

The old RAM Gallery presses in the front building were numbered press 1 and press 2, there were signs up for these.   The furthest from the front of the RAM corridor was press No 1 and the closest was Press no 2.   I smashed press No 1 when doing one of the coins on January 1 and I can't recall what coin it was.   I shall have a gander at the newspaper photo and advise a little latter.

Now, in the new building, Press no 1 is closest to the gallery stairs/steps.   Press No 2 near the back wall.

I remember them well
The early year press coins and reeding are fascinating like the 1981 20c claw

[autocoupler]

The old RAM Gallery presses in the front building were numbered press 1 and press 2, there were signs up for these.   The furthest from the front of the RAM corridor was press No 1 and the closest was Press no 2.   I smashed press No 1 when doing one of the coins on January 1 and I can't recall what coin it was.   I shall have a gander at the newspaper photo and advise a little latter.

Now, in the new building, Press no 1 is closest to the gallery stairs/steps.   Press No 2 near the back wall.

I remember them well
The early year press coins and reeding are fascinating like the 1981 20c claw

I know the idea of using the edge milling as a reference has been poo poo'd before but the original concept to use it as a tool in confirming if a coin was from the internal production presses or the visitors gallery press, IMHO was a good one. One problem as I see it, is that some people assumed the coins purchased over the counter were from the visitors press, which they definitely were not. In the early years 1991 to 95 for example, the numbers produced off the visitors press was minimal and it is highly unlikely that there would have been a die change in each of those years, so the positioning of the edge reeding for those years maybe, just maybe an accurate method of identification. Even in later years for example, I remember visiting the Mint in January and October of 2009 or thereabouts and noting the position of the milling remained the same. However, I do concede also in later years there has been the odd occasion where dies have been changed or removed and replaced due to malfunction, in which case the collars probably wouldn't be returned to the same position (assuming the collar is what creates the milled edge). But lets not totally disregard the potential for this method to be a valid tool, particularly for those early years when public interest and access was not huge, meaning the numbers minted would have been far less. Not a problem these days though, with the C mm of the gallery press being confined to coins not minted on the internal production presses. Considering the long term interest in coins from the visitors gallery presses, I find it incredible that it's taken this long for the Mint to actually take steps, whether it be by accident or design, to arrive at a point where identifying a coin from the visitors press is no longer conjectural.

[autocoupler]

Visited the RAM on 23/12/16 while down that way visiting our Daughter for Xmas. Couldn't resist just one dollar from each of the MYO visitor gallery presses, and it was interesting to compare each with examples acquired from each press earlier in the year on 23/03/16.

The edge milling position in relation to AUSTRALIA in the obverse legend on the press closest to the stairs entrance (#1 for me) had altered from what it was back in March, so obviously there was maintenance carried out on at least one occasion through the year that resulted in some die repositioning.

Interestingly, the milling position on press #2 (around the corner) had not altered since March.

I keep forgetting to take note of the counter on each press:dash1:

[Goldseeker]

If and when I get these MYO from the Gallery Presses, I request that the coins are identified as Press 1 or 2 in the packaging.

I have been doing this for years and will keep on doing it.

I love comparing the four coin MINT Set coin reeding especially the "C" Mint Mark coin as against the MYO Coins and generally the reedings between the coins are not the same alignment to the word Australia.

Never mind, according to others, the position of the reeding to the word Australia proves or means anything.   But that is not my understanding or belief.

[autocoupler]

Never mind, according to others, the position of the reeding to the word Australia proves or means anything.   But that is not my understanding or belief.

Yeah, each to their own. Some might say there's no point in noting the edge milling (reeding) these days because it's certain that all C mm dollars that aren't in the four coin sets must originate from the gallery presses. This may be so, but we still need to differentiate between press 1 and 2, as well as identify any gallery press coin from a rouge coin that has escaped from the four coin set. We all know many collectors these days do remove these from the packaging :angel:

The main interest for me is being able to get a feel for the number of times any Gallery press may have the dies repositioned over a certain period of time. This appears to be a fairly low occurrence, so if we can transpose this low percentage from today's relatively high gallery press mintage to the low numbers from the early 90's, 91 to 95 in particular, in my opinion this gives further credence to the known edge milling positions for these years as being unique.

[Fulvio]

the position of the reeding to the word Australia proves or means anything.

Quite so. The reeding comes from the collar, which is the third die, obviously.

Here's one from the US Mint:



Unlike hammer and anvil dies, there is no alignment criteria for collars. So every time one is replaced, it will move.

That's why its a pointless excercise to track them. :angel:

[runway]

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUSTRALIA-2014-1-TRIPLE-STRIKE-NGC-MS-67-ERROR-COIN-VOYAGE-of-TERRA-AUSTRALIS-/112104533067?hash=item1a19f36c4b
fortymillion007coins
Enough said

[purplepennyhunter]

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUSTRALIA-2014-1-TRIPLE-STRIKE-NGC-MS-67-ERROR-COIN-VOYAGE-of-TERRA-AUSTRALIS-/112104533067?hash=item1a19f36c4b
fortymillion007coins
Enough said

That is one of the coins discussed at the beginning of this thread.

[trout]

It IS a nice error coin But Not $8,000 nice :angel: