2014 MYO RAM $!

Fulvio · January 02, 2014, 12:20:58 AM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='38659' dateline='1388576968'I most certainly wouldn't let my kids or grandkids sleep on the street for 5 days, What are the mint thinking

Have you been there?

Its not exactly "on the street". Lots of grass as far as the eye can see (well, as far as the freeway anyway), big carpark and not much else nearby. Not quite the back o' Bourke, but hardly Kings Cross either.

Of more concern would be the lack of accessible amenities after hours. Bit of a hike to the nearest dunny IIRC.

purplepennyhunter · January 02, 2014, 07:38:28 AM

The ammenities issue is a worry. I think RAM security would be around.

robbiegal · January 02, 2014, 10:15:44 AM

John James Hospital is straight across the road so the amenities there would be accessible
but yeah - for a family of 5 it is a bit of a concern

They were there last year (when we were). They also won something, I think it was the last coin for 2011? I am getting my years mixed up now. Think they got the last one for 2011 & the first for 2012 year and the year before a lady got the last coin for 2010 - chucked a wobbly because she was up in the galleries when her number was called, then they redrew - a teenager got it, the lady chucked the biggest spack attack - the Mint gave her the coin and the teenager a consolation gift pack. I thought that it stank myself and it soured my feelings about the whole business.

Goldseeker · January 02, 2014, 11:04:33 AM

Maybe the RAM should disband this "last and first mintage". That would stop all this arguing and carryon.

But, in saying that, all of us have some sort of competitive spirit in built. I want to be the best, the first, the greatest, etc.

Until we ourselves can curb this aggressiveness towards being first, then it will continue forever.

Amen.

Quote from: 'runway' pid='38638' dateline='1388573747'How does camping out for 5 days assure first in line?
I don't get it?

I was passing by the mint this arvo and at 3:15 pm visited and both mobile presses were shut down.Press 1 fully out of action,Press 2 got back online about 3:25pm . Quality this year is excellent the blanks have no carbon spots.

What mobile presses Runway?

robbiegal · January 02, 2014, 11:44:16 AM

Quote from: 'runway' pid='38638' dateline='1388573747'How does camping out for 5 days assure first in line?
I don't get it?
I was passing by the mint this arvo and at 3:15 pm visited and both mobile presses were shut down.Press 1 fully out of action,Press 2 got back online about 3:25pm . Quality this year is excellent the blanks have no carbon spots.

you in the ACT runway?
and what your excuse for the first 100 - or were you there?
we had a very good excuse - we were up the road at the Hyatt - getting our money's worth of R & R !!!!

Yes GS - I reckon they should have a ballot
though, I do also agree with the 'fun' of the competitive spirit

but it can get nasty when the outcome isn't what the competitive spirit wanted!! for sure

I have to admit I thought last years was sus - that the one family got both coins - even through a raffle - just me being jealous I guess (everyone wants to be a winner!!) - but great publicity for the Mint for the 'feel good' story!!

purplepennyhunter · January 02, 2014, 12:18:32 PM

Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='38662' dateline='1388578012'OMG, if Woolies release a 3rd series of animal cards I might have to camp out to be first in!!!! (I hear there's already a queue at Coles in Adelaide for tomorrow :laugh2:)

Who what where when??? Why?

All my Coles will have is old bread, old meat and on date milk.

Unicorn · January 02, 2014, 12:41:16 PM

Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='38692' dateline='1388627312'Who what where when??? Why?

All my Coles will have is old bread, old meat and on date milk.

Don't worry PPH, I don't think you've missed anything ..... just stirring up young Robster ....

Quote from: 'Robster' pid='38587' dateline='1388555650'Still finding coronation 'two's in auto checkout machines in Adelaide.!! (Coles).!!

Enlilninlil · January 02, 2014, 02:18:28 PM

Coles must be is serious competition with Safeway, tough safeway beats the out of date by 3 months.

runway · January 02, 2014, 08:47:34 PM

Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='38688' dateline='1388622873'Maybe the RAM should disband this "last and first mintage". That would stop all this arguing and carryon.

But, in saying that, all of us have some sort of competitive spirit in built. I want to be the best, the first, the greatest, etc.

Until we ourselves can curb this aggressiveness towards being first, then it will continue forever.

Amen.

Quote from: 'runway' pid='38638' dateline='1388573747'How does camping out for 5 days assure first in line?
I don't get it?

I was passing by the mint this arvo and at 3:15 pm visited and both mobile presses were shut down.Press 1 fully out of action,Press 2 got back online about 3:25pm . Quality this year is excellent the blanks have no carbon spots.

What mobile presses Runway?

They are both ex mobile presses Mr BM...you know that...and that is what my reference was about ...that's all I think of these presses...the main press C mm is usually available by end of month :yahoo::yahoo:

robbiegal · January 02, 2014, 08:50:27 PM

are you a local yokel Runway?

hey
I just re-read the newspaper article about the triplet Harley who won the first coin again this year
and guess what???
he ALSO won the last coin for 2013 - as he won it last year for 2012 as well

gee lucky guy ... indeed

perhaps he should have sold the coin for the $2,000 so that the family could invest in a portable toilet trailer for next year - as the newspaper article says that they use a bucket for the over night toilet!!! ,eeeeiiiirrrr

for sure they will here for 7 days next time ... very cheap holiday for the whole mob!

Goldseeker · January 02, 2014, 10:37:50 PM

Runway-I'd hate to be a nuisance but both the Visitor gallery presses are converted RAM Production Presses when they changed the minting machines a few years ago. These same presses were located in the old visitor gallery when I minted the Gallipoli coin(s) many years ago.

Since then, the feeding plate of both presses have been converted to a single coin feed plate so the coin you personally mint, is the coin one receives.

If you want to call these visitor gallery presses PORTABLEs then an army would be need to move them.

If I am not mistaken, there is a sign alongside the present visitor gallery presses acknowledging that they were both former production presses off the Production Floor.

In response to the "C" Mint Mark coins being available in late January then you are quite correct as those minted coins go into the four coin sets etc. This can be verified by the reeding location on the side of the coins. In most cases, visitor gallery minted coins have a different reeding start than the production presses.

The present "portable presses" only emboss the "C", "M", "B", "H", "A:" etc in an incuse (counterstamp) on various show coins about the place which can cost anywhere between $3 -$13 per coin..

purplepennyhunter · January 03, 2014, 07:38:55 AM

Not getting into the reeding positions again. If there was maintenance on the press as suggested earlier on the first day there may well be differences already. One major difference of the gallery presses and the mobile press is that the gallery presses strike the entire coin and the mobile press only strikes the counterstamp.

trout · January 03, 2014, 07:45:08 AM

Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='38776' dateline='1388696935'Not getting into the reeding positions again. If there was maintenance on the press as suggested earlier on the first day there may well be differences already. One major difference of the gallery presses and the mobile press is that the gallery presses strike the entire coin and the mobile press only strikes the counterstamp.

In reality the counter stamped coins are in fact PMD.
A bit like the chop marks on trade and pillar dollars of old :ok:

Just because it is a mint employee that does the stamping doesn't get away from the fact that the counterstamp IS added "Post Mint":angel:

markn · January 03, 2014, 08:23:35 AM

Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='38776' dateline='1388696935'Not getting into the reeding positions again. If there was maintenance on the press as suggested earlier on the first day there may well be differences already. One major difference of the gallery presses and the mobile press is that the gallery presses strike the entire coin and the mobile press only strikes the counterstamp.

+1

Gosh Goldy you will not be told will you. Reeding positions can change every time the collar is removed from a press and cannot be used as an indicator of anything unless you can provide proof that a collar die has not been removed from a press during the production life of a pair of dies. And you can't provide that proof.

markn · January 03, 2014, 09:00:19 AM

I should add to this (because what I wrote may seem a bit abrupt) that this reeding issue was flogged to death on the old ACBO forum. Goldy was trying to tell everyone then that you could identify the coins from the different gallery presses by reeding position. So PPH and I made a point of going back to the RAM several times in the same year and minting gallery press coins each time. And the reeding position was different every single time.

That same year we were lucky enough to be at the RAM while they were pulling the dies out of the gallery press and it was obvious that the collar die (which really just looks like a steel donut) was not keyed and could be installed into the press at any angle relative to the obverse/reverse dies. Which basically means that the reeding position (from the gallery press coins at least) is 100% random. Now, perhaps the production press coins are different but given that the gallery presses are production presses anyway then I very much doubt that.

So what's the upshot of this? Reeding position is meaningless. It can change whenever the collar die is removed from a press and unless you own the entire mintage of a particular type of dollar then you cannot say that the reeding position is the same for all coins of that type.