Identify this coin

trout · December 25, 2013, 09:07:46 AM

This Crown sized coin weighs 24.1g and is Silver.
Any ideas about this particular coin?

triplewitch · December 25, 2013, 09:12:33 AM

Here's one that's dated 1619:
http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/world-coin-prices.aspx?category=151016&worldcoinid=360572

trout · December 25, 2013, 09:20:42 AM

Quote from: 'triplewitch' pid='38048' dateline='1387924953'Here's one that's dated 1619:
http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/world-coin-prices.aspx?category=151016&worldcoinid=360572

A very similar coin, the one I have on my desk is larger than a crown so about 40mm.

markn · December 25, 2013, 09:21:24 AM

I can't quite make out the province but I'm pretty sure it's KM#16.1 Netherlands - Gelderland 1620 Rijksdaalder (48 stuivers).

trout · December 25, 2013, 09:27:50 AM

Quote from: 'markn' pid='38051' dateline='1387925484'I can't quite make out the province but I'm pretty sure it's KM#16.1 Netherlands - Gelderland 1620 Rijksdaalder (48 stuivers).

Thanks Mark.
This is not my coin, it is my brother in laws.
Any idea of a value for this and would it be considered a "Colonial" coin?

bellyflorin · December 25, 2013, 09:30:14 AM

whats on the other side trout http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1545050&AucID=1421&Lot=838&Val=c46fefb75c2875d800b5aafcf8cd0201

markn · December 25, 2013, 09:39:23 AM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='38052' dateline='1387925870'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='38051' dateline='1387925484'I can't quite make out the province but I'm pretty sure it's KM#16.1 Netherlands - Gelderland 1620 Rijksdaalder (48 stuivers).

Thanks Mark.
This is not my coin, it is my brother in laws.
Any idea of a value for this and would it be considered a "Colonial" coin?

It looks like a shipwreck coin and judging by the filename it might have come from the Batavia? Does it have certificates?

trout · December 25, 2013, 09:39:24 AM

Quote from: 'bellyflorin' pid='38053' dateline='1387926014'whats on the other side trout http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=1545050&AucID=1421&Lot=838&Val=c46fefb75c2875d800b5aafcf8cd0201

That one is pretty close, the 1/4 on the thing in the right hand is different.
This coin is a shipwreck coin :ok:

QuoteIt looks like a shipwreck coin and judging by the filename it might have come from the Batavia? Does it have certificates?

No certificates But this did indeed come from the Batavia wreak.
Before the wreak site was officially recognised fishermen and their families "souvenired" a number of these coins, this is one of those coins.
My missus family were some of the pioneers of the crayfishing industry in Geraldton 50 odd years ago.

trout · December 25, 2013, 11:11:26 AM

My Brother in law brought some of his coin collection for me to appraise for him over Christmas.
A lot of the items I am unfamiliar with so I intend to post a few pics so that you lot that know about the stuff I don't can enlighten me.
Some idea of the scarcity and value would be awesome 
Ill start off with these three :ok:

East Africa 1924 Shilling

token 1862

1857 peace and plenty token

trout · December 25, 2013, 07:10:51 PM

Look at the huge obverse rim cuds on these medallions 
These things are 38 mm.

Unicorn · December 25, 2013, 07:15:08 PM

They are some serious rim cuds Trout!!!

Nice medallions too!

trout · December 25, 2013, 07:47:52 PM

Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='38070' dateline='1387961108'They are some serious rim cuds Trout!!!

Nice medallions too!

NOT mine unfortunately :dash1:
But I may be able to weasel one

Unicorn · December 25, 2013, 07:56:11 PM

BBQ Ham and Turkey + Seafood ..... I'm sure you'll be able to weasel one :laugh2:

If all else fails, threaten to stake them out and let the ground lice get them! :diablo:

markn · December 25, 2013, 09:02:01 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='38055' dateline='1387926564'No certificates But this did indeed come from the Batavia wreak.
Before the wreak site was officially recognised fishermen and their families "souvenired" a number of these coins, this is one of those coins.
My missus family were some of the pioneers of the crayfishing industry in Geraldton 50 odd years ago.

From what I understand it's technically illegal to hold shipwreck coins from Australian wrecks without certificates. So the value in Australia is zero. If you want to find out what to do with it to make it "legal" you'd need to contact the WA museum (who I believe "own" all Australian shipwreck coins).

trout · December 25, 2013, 10:08:30 PM

QuoteFrom what I understand it's technically illegal to hold shipwreck coins from Australian wrecks without certificates. So the value in Australia is zero. If you want to find out what to do with it to make it "legal" you'd need to contact the WA museum (who I believe "own" all Australian shipwreck coins).

The value of this piece is irrelevant, it is and always will be an interesting piece especially for my brother in law that free dived for it and got it way before the museum was involved.
I am not about to tell him to hand it over after he has kept it for more than 40 years, regardless of the regulations.
The museum recovered thousands of these and NO they are NOT on display in Geraldton, So what is the drama with 1 being in private hands that will be passed on to future generations.
It is not only a part of My towns history it is also an important part of my family history and I am buggered if I will let some dopey eyed government official steal it .
It is now safely heat sealed in a 2.5x 2.5 saflip for posterity :good:
As a footnote many of these were sold to dealers in Perth at one stage for not much more than melt, I wonder what happened to those coins :angel: