Large Shilling

[emu666]

I picked this one up at Petersham on Friday.
Apparently a broadstrike:






Note the indented base to the lettering on the obverse, characteristic of unconstrained metal flow from the centre to the outside of the coin. This is usually indicative of a missing collar.
I showed it to Tony Byrne and he raised the intriguing possiblity of it having been struck with a halfpenny collar. The coin is just a little smaller than an average halfpenny but probably within tolerance. As no halfpennies had been struck at the Melbourne Mint since 1959, it is hard to imagine a halfpenny collar lying around. Still, an interesting possiblity.

[accumulator]

Very nice indeed !,usually coins struck with no collar at all are'nt so perfectly round,maybe mint staff were having a play.

[robbiegal]

must of been a bad day at the Mint!
i'll show Tony this one on Sunday (at the local coin show) - he'll think it's a conspiracy!

[emu666]

must of been a bad day at the Mint!
i'll show Tony this one on Sunday (at the local coin show) - he'll think it's a conspiracy!

It would be extremely likely the two coins were struck on the same day.

[nealeffendi]

must of been a bad day at the Mint!
i'll show Tony this one on Sunday (at the local coin show) - he'll think it's a conspiracy!

It would be extremely likely the two coins were struck on the same day.

Peter,how can you be so sure that they were struck on the same day?
It looks to me that they are from 2 different pairs of dies as only one of them has a small dot between the 2 top rays of the  star. So if they had stopped the press to change the die then wouldn't they have serviced the problematic collar at that time?
Still nice shillings.

must of been a bad day at the Mint!
i'll show Tony this one on Sunday (at the local coin show) - he'll think it's a conspiracy!

It would be extremely likely the two coins were struck on the same day.

Peter,how can you be so sure that they were struck on the same day?
It looks to me that they are from 2 different pairs of dies as only one of them has a small dot between the 2 top rays of the  star. So if they had stopped the press to change the die then wouldn't they have serviced the problematic collar at that time?
Still nice shillings.

[emu666]

Peter,how can you be so sure that they were struck on the same day?
It looks to me that they are from 2 different pairs of dies as only one of them has a small dot between the 2 top rays of the  star. So if they had stopped the press to change the die then wouldn't they have serviced the problematic collar at that time?
Still nice shillings.

Good point nealeffendi, I missed that dot. I should have looked closer rather than getting excited by the similarity of the two coin.
The collar hypothesis is looking a lot less likely.

[Goldseeker]

Regardless, a nice coincidence.

[robbiegal]

where's the dot guys?
I can't see it
I do go over the pictures carefully to look for either similarities or differences
do you mean the star to the left of the Rams,'head
Could that be a scanning error?
I think  we need these two coins  in the hand

[nealeffendi]

where's the dot guys?
I can't see it
I do go over the pictures carefully to look for either similarities or differences
do you mean the star to the left of the Rams,'head
Could that be a scanning error?
I think  we need these two coins  in the hand

On the duller shilling in the 7 pointed federation star there is a dot where the 2 topmost rays (points) meet. Might be other '61 shillings out there with that same star fault but not the shinier broadstrike.

[Fulvio]

I can't see it

First reverse, left star, in the cleft between the top point and the right upper.

Looks like a cud to me.
Actually, on closer examination, that coin seems to be covered in a number of dots, similar to the type 3 bubbles on the 2012 50¢ (type 1 being the one AJ found, type 2 above the roo, type 3 the many small ones in the bottom half of the coin).

[Unicorn]

Probably overkill ........ but here's a pic RG

[robbiegal]

ta
I did think it might have been that spot
maybe feathers can have a closer look at his coin and check that it really is there
I thought my coin may have been jammed in a die hub thingee and was wedged out  hence the scratches - often the mis-strikes had to be manually removed
but that other coin doesn't have any marks like that

[nealeffendi]

ta
I did think it might have been that spot
maybe feathers can have a closer look at his coin and check that it really is there
I thought my coin may have been jammed in a die hub thingee and was wedged out  hence the scratches - often the mis-strikes had to be manually removed
but that other coin doesn't have any marks like that

If they manually removed many of the mistrikes then why didn't they chuck them in the rejects bin and not let them leave the mint?

[robbiegal]

just repeating the stories that I have been told by the old mint guys

I have been told that they were put on trays/sorting tables to go back into the melting pot but obviously not all were

there must have been accidental sorting mistakes or errors not picked up, perhaps more so during busy schedules, as far too many errors do show up

I have done factory quality control sorting in my past life (not a mint mind you) and some days - nothing gets past the eyes, other days, well the quality control can be a bit remiss

I was watching the young blokes operating the die press at the RAM  $1 at the ANDA show here in Canberra, they put the coin errors  to the side ON TRAY/s - 'to be melted back down'. we could see them and were drooling , there were rows and rows and rows of the things  

considering that the RAM doesn't make it's own planchets anymore, it doesn't quite make logical sense to me

[nealeffendi]

just repeating the stories that I have been told by the old mint guys

I have been told that they were put on trays/sorting tables to go back into the melting pot but obviously not all were

there must have been accidental sorting mistakes or errors not picked up, perhaps more so during busy schedules, as far too many errors do show up

I have done factory quality control sorting in my past life (not a mint mind you) and some days - nothing gets past the eyes, other days, well the quality control can be a bit remiss

I was watching the young blokes operating the die press at the RAM  $1 at the ANDA show here in Canberra, they put the coin errors  to the side ON TRAY/s - 'to be melted back down'. we could see them and were drooling , there were rows and rows and rows of the things  

considering that the RAM doesn't make it's own planchets anymore, it doesn't quite make logical sense to me

How good is the security on those trays at ANDA?
I mean I am honest:angel: but for a spectacular error I might be tempted :mafia:
Tacky glue on a fly-fishing line, time to get my casting technique perfected:whistle2:.

just repeating the stories that I have been told by the old mint guys

I have been told that they were put on trays/sorting tables to go back into the melting pot but obviously not all were

there must have been accidental sorting mistakes or errors not picked up, perhaps more so during busy schedules, as far too many errors do show up

I have done factory quality control sorting in my past life (not a mint mind you) and some days - nothing gets past the eyes, other days, well the quality control can be a bit remiss

I was watching the young blokes operating the die press at the RAM  $1 at the ANDA show here in Canberra, they put the coin errors  to the side ON TRAY/s - 'to be melted back down'. we could see them and were drooling , there were rows and rows and rows of the things  

considering that the RAM doesn't make it's own planchets anymore, it doesn't quite make logical sense to me

How good is the security on those trays at ANDA?
I mean I am honest:angel: but for a spectacular error I might be tempted :mafia:
Tacky glue on a fly-fishing line, time to get my casting technique perfected:whistle2:.