1920 plain London die penny - does it exist ?

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echidna

August 21, 2013, 07:47:50 PM
I'd be interested to know if anyone has a 1920 plain London die penny or has even seen one.
I'm aware of the dot below type and the dot above.

Mister T

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August 21, 2013, 08:40:34 PM
I came across http://www.tdkapdc.com.au/australian-penny2c-1920-no-dot-london.html recently but it could well be that the dots are just worn away.
Have you chatted to nealeffendi on CCF about it? He seems to be on top of the 1920 penny and doesn't think such a coin exists.

echidna

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August 21, 2013, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='25743' dateline='1377083434'I came across http://www.tdkapdc.com.au/australian-penny2c-1920-no-dot-london.html recently but it could well be that the dots are just worn away.
Have you chatted to nealeffendi on CCF about it? He seems to be on top of the 1920 penny and doesn't think such a coin exists.

This one has the die crack through IND which indicates dot below.

Fordprefect

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August 21, 2013, 09:14:47 PM
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='25737' dateline='1377080270'I'd be interested to know if anyone has a 1920 plain London die penny or has even seen one.
I'm aware of the dot below type and the dot above.
In my gallery
No Indent rim, no IN die crack on Obverse
No Die chip to E of Penny, no die crack last A CommonweAlth
and of course , No dot below scroll.
Rob the Elder

echidna

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August 21, 2013, 10:08:39 PM
That's fantastic.
Would have to be one of the rarest Aussie pre-decimals.
Thanks for posting the pics.

Fordprefect

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August 21, 2013, 10:19:27 PM
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='25755' dateline='1377088719'That's fantastic.
Would have to be one of the rarest Aussie pre-decimals.
Thanks for posting the pics.
Very scarce, yes rare no.
The good Dr Peter & D. Guy reckon
similar numbers to the '23 Halfpenny.

It's the only one I've got and have been
collecting for 57 years ::angel:
Rob the Elder

Unicorn

#6
August 22, 2013, 12:29:07 AM
FP, have you shown that one to Nealeffendi?

Fordprefect

#7
August 22, 2013, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='25764' dateline='1377097147'FP, have you shown that one to Nealeffendi?
Not going to happen.

Haven't posted on CCf for nearly 6months now.
Can't maintain being active on multiple forums and I
choose this one.(I do have a read of it sometimes)

As a side note I don't recall "Nealeffendi" ever
post an image of any coin he discusses.
Rob the Elder

Unicorn

#8
August 22, 2013, 06:31:11 PM
No worries FP.

I understand what you mean with the multiple forums and do agree this is far better (thanks to all concerned Mark & PPH etc), though I feel sorry some times for those who may not know we exist (though they could be here and I just don't know it). Heaven forbid, it took me long enough to turn up!

Goldseeker

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August 22, 2013, 06:45:43 PM
I am supposed to have one in my collection so I will get it out later and do a couple of scans so you can see mine.

Here are the scans of my 1920 1d's:   The middle coin is the plain no do coin.   The other two scans are the close ups of the bottom and top scrolls.
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Unicorn

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August 22, 2013, 06:51:57 PM
That would be great Goldie ..... thanks!

Í thought I found an 85 rabbit ears the other day ..... alas ...... it was just crud. But, that thread did bring to my attention the dancing man hat cud which I didn't know of either ...... I managed to find one last week :yahoo:

Goldseeker

#11
August 22, 2013, 06:54:32 PM
Just keep reading all the posts of this forum and jot down all the errors/faults mentioned there in.   That's the way I taught myself all or most of the errors that I find plus those I find that have not had been mentioned before.
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August 22, 2013, 08:40:49 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='25896' dateline='1377163317'That would be great Goldie ..... thanks!

Í thought I found an 85 rabbit ears the other day ..... alas ...... it was just crud. But, that thread did bring to my attention the dancing man hat cud which I didn't know of either ...... I managed to find one last week :yahoo:

View my previous comment re the scans of the coins.......
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Mister T

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August 23, 2013, 07:04:53 PM
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='25748' dateline='1377085487'No Indent rim, no IN die crack on Obverse
No Die chip to E of Penny, no die crack last A CommonweAlth
and of course , No dot below scroll.

How do you know those characteristics match up with a no dot reverse?

Fordprefect

#14
August 23, 2013, 08:50:24 PM
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='25998' dateline='1377250493'
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='25748' dateline='1377085487'No Indent rim, no IN die crack on Obverse
No Die chip to E of Penny, no die crack last A CommonweAlth
and of course , No dot below scroll.

How do you know those characteristics match up with a no dot reverse?
Mister T
You don't won't these characteristics on your Plain Penny.
They appear on the Dot Under types.

The Indent Obverse is a Dot Under characteristic, you can't miss it.
There will also be a die crack between IN of IND.
English Obverse Dot Under, Die pair 1


The die chip on reverse type is characteristic of :-
English Obverse Dot Under, Die pair 2
This obverse does not have the indent to rim or
the die crack between IN of IND.
Rob the Elder
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