Real or Fake ?

Fr45h3R · May 30, 2013, 04:46:31 PM

Saw this one on eBay.
What do you guys think ?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1934-35M-KGV-Emperor-Centenary-Melbourne-Victoria-925-Silver-Florin/221230728904?_trksid=p2045573.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D555003%26algo%3DPW.CAT%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D146%26meid%3D8017522727849405708%26pid%3D100034%26prg%3D1079%26rk%3D2%26sd%3D330931941008%26

markn · May 30, 2013, 04:56:14 PM

*****Gosh I don't know. Looks real enough to me but I am no expert on these things.****

OK I change to fake. All the 1938 crowns he's selling look like cast fakes.

accumulator · May 30, 2013, 04:57:01 PM

FAKE ! ,detail around the head is virtually non existent.

trout · May 30, 2013, 04:57:35 PM

"NO returns accepted" is a certain put off for me :dodgy:
If you want one of these see a reputable dealer or use an ebay seller that you trust and have a history with :ok:

Quote from: 'markn' pid='16573' dateline='1369898774'Gosh I don't know. Looks real enough to me but I am no expert on these things.

:Laugh2::diablo:

Mister T · May 30, 2013, 06:29:51 PM

Not very scientific but it seems to me that any coin in a 2x2 with a lot of writing on it is something to steer clear of.

trout · May 30, 2013, 06:45:15 PM

Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='16592' dateline='1369904391'Not very scientific but it seems to me that any coin in a 2x2 with a lot of writing on it is something to steer clear of.

It all depends who wrote on the 2x2.
I got this as a gift off a CCF member that I have met in person and trust implicitly for his honesty and numismatic knowledge (this bloke has forgotten more than I will ever know about numismatics) and a few other coins with notes on the 2x2's as well.
This is one of Sel's coins that he kindly donated to my humble collection :wavemulticolor:

Robster · May 30, 2013, 06:49:05 PM

Great coin and a great piece of history, made more so by the fact it was a gift.!!

echidna · May 30, 2013, 06:49:13 PM

Photos are not good enough to be sure.
I'd say its probably a dud.
Just doesn't look right.
Methinks the seller has taken fuzzy photos on purpose.

Fordprefect · May 30, 2013, 07:15:05 PM

Look at the Obverse only.
Check the Piping on the Cloak.
It extends to the Rim on Genuine Coins.

Mister T · May 30, 2013, 09:22:43 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='16597' dateline='1369905315'It all depends who wrote on the 2x2.

Point taken.
I don't know though, it just seems dealers only write what is necessary but fake/cleaned/over-graded coins on ebay sometimes come in 2x2s with things like catalogue value, "scarce" or "rare" written on them and other irrelevant details.

Basil · May 30, 2013, 09:28:54 PM

Yeah,slight gap as well.
It looks like the fakes from a couple of years ago with no detail in the hand on the horse.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-Australian-Half-Penny-1925-Australia-Penny-1921-One-Shilling-nice-replicas-/271212888256?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f258c40c0

:dodgy:

trout · May 30, 2013, 09:35:22 PM

Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='16634' dateline='1369914763'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='16597' dateline='1369905315'It all depends who wrote on the 2x2.

Point taken.
I don't know though, it just seems dealers only write what is necessary but fake/cleaned/over-graded coins on ebay sometimes come in 2x2s with things like catalogue value, "scarce" or "rare" written on them and other irrelevant details.

That's where "Provenance" comes into play.
I have coins from enwarb with his grades etc on the 2x2 that are spot on also a few (but only a few) other people that mark the 2x2's in a similar way that are spot on as well.
I NEVER buy a coin from the description from an "Unknown" seller and concentrate on the coin offered itself.
If I am buying from a seller that I have "History" with I will simply put my trust in their grades.