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markn · May 30, 2013, 11:09:01 AM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16537' dateline='1369875249'
Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='16454' dateline='1369804892'I don't get why you would want to bid on that coin Kel ?? it's a shed job mate !

What on earth gives you THAT idea? Its real, mate.

That coin is nothing more than PMD. It's had a coin hammered in the obverse and the had one edge hammered down to give the appearance of a broadstrike and then had another coin hammered into the reverse. It's just damaged rubbish.

markn · May 30, 2013, 11:09:32 AM

Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='16538' dateline='1369876880'Looking at the obverse it seems like it got stuck in the press and copped
quite a hammering before it was finally removed

No, the only place that coin copped a hammering was in someone's shed.

markn · May 30, 2013, 11:16:50 AM

To both Fulvio and stevo1962. Here's a good principle to live by when deciding if a coin is an error or not. If you see incuse elements on a supposed error and those elements are mirror imaged AND they are over the top of an existing correct strike then ALWAYS assume the coin is PMD. The ONLY way a real error like this can occur is if a previously struck coin gets run back through a press while there's a die cap stuck to one of the dies. This is incredibly unlikely.

In the case of this particular 5c it's got impressions on both sides so the only way this could have happened is if a previously struck coin had gone through a press while a die cap was stuck to the obverse AND reverse dies. Clearly an unlikely set of circumstances. Oh wait, we're supposed to believe it's a broadstrike too. Guys this coin is a damaged piece of junk.

Kel don't bid on it. And I strongly encourage that no-one else here bid on it either.

accumulator · May 30, 2013, 05:37:14 PM

I made this one with 3 X 5 cent coins & a hammer,a vice can also be used instead of the hammer.

trout · May 30, 2013, 05:45:04 PM

Quote from: 'accumulator' pid='16580' dateline='1369901234'I made this one with 3 X 5 cent coins & a hammer,a vice can also be used instead of the hammer.

There is Nothing as good as the feeling when you replicate a "Bogus" coin in the shed to prove that a coin is BS.
Welcome to the prove the bastards wrong and keep em honest club Mate :yahoo:
always make sure that you either destroy or drown these "test" coins or they WILL eventually find their way on to eBay if you put them back in the pond :ok:

Fulvio · May 30, 2013, 08:19:19 PM

Quote from: 'markn' pid='16542' dateline='1369878410'This is incredibly unlikely.

Unlikely <> Impossible. Lots of unlikely things have happened.

I'm sticking with the opinion that its not a shed job. Its also not something that turned up in someone's change of course. Either its an accidental error or a sport. Either way it got smuggled out by whoever cleared (or caused) the jam, but I think its too clean and tidy for it to have been made with a hammer or vice.

trout · May 30, 2013, 08:28:53 PM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16616' dateline='1369910959'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='16542' dateline='1369878410'This is incredibly unlikely.

Unlikely <> Impossible. Lots of unlikely things have happened.

I'm sticking with the opinion that its not a shed job. Its also not something that turned up in someone's change of course. Either its an accidental error or a sport. Either way it got smuggled out by whoever cleared (or caused) the jam, but I think its too clean and tidy for it to have been made with a hammer or vice.

It may have been"Well Struck" in the shed also:diablo:
I have access to 75 tone porta power rams that could possibly create this.
I may have a crack at it on the next project :diablo: if I have the time :angel:

Ozcoins · May 30, 2013, 08:30:59 PM

I will also chime in that I think the 5c in the ebay listing in this thread is junk.

Fulvio · May 30, 2013, 08:46:41 PM

Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='16619' dateline='1369911659'I will also chime in that I think the 5c in the ebay listing in this thread is junk.

Clearly we have differing opinions, and since nobody here is likely to bid, that's all they'll remain. But does anyone actually believe a dealer with 2288 100% positive feedback and 13 pages of pretty decent offerings is likely to sully himself over a lousy twenty bucks? I think not, which means he believes it to be real, as do a number of other people.

Ozcoins · May 30, 2013, 08:51:25 PM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16625' dateline='1369912601'
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='16619' dateline='1369911659'I will also chime in that I think the 5c in the ebay listing in this thread is junk.

Clearly we have differing opinions, and since nobody here is likely to bid, that's all they'll remain. But does anyone actually believe a dealer with 2288 100% positive feedback and 13 pages of pretty decent offerings is likely to sully himself over a lousy twenty bucks? I think not, which means he believes it to be real, as do a number of other people.

Assuming the lister thinks it is real, he might also be mistaken.
Fake "error" coins been listed by auction houses too.
They are supposed to really know their stuff.

trout · May 30, 2013, 08:56:56 PM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16625' dateline='1369912601'
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='16619' dateline='1369911659'I will also chime in that I think the 5c in the ebay listing in this thread is junk.

Clearly we have differing opinions, and since nobody here is likely to bid, that's all they'll remain. But does anyone actually believe a dealer with 2288 100% positive feedback and 13 pages of pretty decent offerings is likely to sully himself over a lousy twenty bucks? I think not, which means he believes it to be real, as do a number of other people.

I have a 1834 feedback score and a power seller and a top rated seller rating, does than mean if I consider a 1927 Canberra florin to be a proof coin it is Kosher?
Defiantly not IMHO , the coin is "what it is" Just because you are a volume seller and have good feedback on eBay doesn't make you a coin guru IMHO :ok:
The coin in question IS PMD and always will be PMD , Whoever sells it.

accumulator · May 31, 2013, 07:48:09 AM

OK you want a more crisp strike,just use a bigger hammer,like this.

Robster · May 31, 2013, 08:32:02 AM

Proves to me that it is not too difficult to produce these "error" coins. A good lesson on being vigilant concerning Ebay. Thanks team.!!

markn · May 31, 2013, 08:37:25 AM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16625' dateline='1369912601'
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='16619' dateline='1369911659'I will also chime in that I think the 5c in the ebay listing in this thread is junk.

Clearly we have differing opinions, and since nobody here is likely to bid, that's all they'll remain. But does anyone actually believe a dealer with 2288 100% positive feedback and 13 pages of pretty decent offerings is likely to sully himself over a lousy twenty bucks? I think not, which means he believes it to be real, as do a number of other people.

Your opinion is wrong though and the people who have reproduced the same sort of "error" in this thread should prove it to you.

And as to your argument about the seller having a lot of feedback and it having some relationship with what they know about errors... well a REAL coin dealer, IAG listed several of these types of "errors" in an auction last year thinking they were real and pulled them on advice from several people. They'd actually SOLD some of them (from the same vendor presumably) in a prior auction. If a real coin dealer can fall for it why on earth would you think some numpty on eBay wouldn't?

markn · May 31, 2013, 08:39:59 AM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='16616' dateline='1369910959'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='16542' dateline='1369878410'This is incredibly unlikely.

Unlikely <> Impossible. Lots of unlikely things have happened.

I'm sticking with the opinion that its not a shed job. Its also not something that turned up in someone's change of course. Either its an accidental error or a sport. Either way it got smuggled out by whoever cleared (or caused) the jam, but I think its too clean and tidy for it to have been made with a hammer or vice.

I've mentioned Occam's razor on here a few times. The simplest explanation is almost always the RIGHT explanation. So here we have people posting in this thread who have "made" errors just like the on in the eBay listing. And we have a long string of incredibly unlikely events that could end up in that coin being made in a press. Which is the more likely explanation?

Email me Fulvio and I'll tell you how they do it with a hammer or vice without damaging the coin. It's actually quite simple.