fakes

[accumulator]

I can't see any wear on that coin at all Belly.

[wwwww]

It's a fake

[echidna]

Its a chinese copy.
There has been a number of these dud 1914H florins on ebay lately.
One sold for $620 and another $1500.
They are all UNC and have been artificially toned.

[bellyflorin]

I have sent a message to the seller :whistle2:

[keldaw]

are these real or fake , please tell me .. thank you ??  ,, kel ,,














 
 this is markings from the last one of them ..     ,, kel ,,


 this is the other coin tail side ..
now there should be 3 different heads and 3 different tail sides on these 3 19 23 aust half pennies ..  ,, kel ,,

 maybe a better view ,     ,, kel ,,

[robbiegal]

here's a couple of proof pics for you to compare your coins with kel
Coinworks has just sold the Proof 1923 Halfpenny for a world record price of $500,000. The only proof example of Australia’s rarest halfpenny available to collectors, the iconic copper was quickly snapped up by a prominent Sydney family"(2009)

and here's a more worn one from Sterling and currency

this is the blurb about fakes that Andrew has with the '23 information


Detecting Forgeries

When determining a coin’s authenticity, a sound starting point is to define the technical characteristics of that issue: Which obverse die was used? Which reverse die was used? What unique nuances does this coin have?

Obverse: Just one obverse hub or master die was used to create obverse dies for all halfpennies struck in Australia during the King George V period (between 1911 and 1936). The obverse die used to strike the 1916 "Mule" is of course rather different! The standard KGV obverse on Australian halfpennies exhibits the following features: 156 beads in rim; the last stroke of N in OMN is aligned between rim beads; the semicolon after IMP is aligned with the rim bead. (See photograph.)

Reverse: Prepared in Melbourne from London masters, with the numbers in the date re-punched in Melbourne. (See photograph.)

Nuances: The 2 in the date is typical of other coins struck using London sourced dies - there is a distinct vertical downward hook to the upper-left stroke. The upward flick on the right hand side of the base is also quite high relative to those struck later. The 3 in the date has a shorter, thicker bottom stroke to those struck elsewhere - it differs from those coins whose dates were re-punched with differently styled numbers. Only 25% of remaining specimens are completely devoid of die cracks, with the balance of 75% showing die cracks that fall into two distinct categories. (See photographs.)

[keldaw]

thank you for your answers  , the guy that owns these 3 x 1923 h/p had a bag with about 18 x 1923 h/p in it and wanted to give me the lot to show you all , but I said 3 was enough , and you could give me an answer from them . he has over 1000 pennies and h/p,s to look through , and said he was only half way through them so far .I will be reporting back to him on Tuesday, .
 I just wish I could have given him some good news on them ,
 no problems , better luck next time ..    ,, kel ,,

[robbiegal]

hey kel
I am no 1923 expert - others here would have loads of knowledge about them over my knowledge

I just posted those bits here for you to look over -

I have a couple of 1923 halfpennies but got mine through our coin dealer and he is an expert on those older coins (so we trusted him to purchase from him)

if your friend has a genuine unchecked lot then they may very well be genuine
id reckon that 18 is quite a lot of 1923's from a lot of about 1,000 coins
but if it's a genuine lot - it might just happen to be very a lucky lot!

[drakesterling]

are these real or fake , please tell me .. thank you ??  ,, kel ,,














 
 this is markings from the last one of them ..     ,, kel ,,


 this is the other coin tail side ..
now there should be 3 different heads and 3 different tail sides on these 3 19 23 aust half pennies ..  ,, kel ,,

 maybe a better view ,     ,, kel ,,

Definitely fake. Looks like a real coin with an altered date.

[wwwww]

I don't believe they're altered dates, they look like modern copies with artificial wear to me.

Just in case Robbie's proof '23 didn't get you drooling, here's another:

[keldaw]

thanks guys , I go to see him tomorrow , ( Tuesday ) so I will show him the replys and the pic .
 it does not really matter if it is a changed date or a fake copy coin ,he was just hoping it was the real thing ,..  thanks again for the replys ..    ,, kel ,,

[JeffH]

Walter,
You have to stop doing that.
My keyboard is going to fail soon from all the accumulated drool!

Jeff

[robbiegal]

thanks guys
I thought the '23's in kels' pics had funny looking '3's that seem to be leaning a little to the left (could be my over active imagination!)
I think you can also figure it out from the obverses too
I think that the 1933 is a fav for changing the first 3 to a 2 and the 1936 is another for changing the 6 to a '3'
I can't remember exactly but have been told about it

but, I do know that the 1923 is so fraught with fakes that you really have to know your stuff

there is a chance that in a lot of 18 X 1923's , just one might not be a forgery ? one can hope that they had a reference coin to copy

[keldaw]

ok , I went over to his place today and showed him the errors on them 3 coins I put on the forum , I told him now you can go through all the others ,one at a time and go slowly , and study the 2 and the 3 in the dates , and let me know ..


 ,, kel ,,

[Robster]

Hi Kel, the three on that coin still looks somewhat larger and leaning compared to the pics of known genuines.!! Only my opinion of course.!!:dodgy: