1922 Penny research warts and all

[trout]

I would think that at least 10% of all the coins if have had graded "secure" in the past came with crappy /no images.
The new system now seems to have addressed that issue :good:

[autocoupler]

SO, HOW MANY 1922 DATE WIDTHS ARE THERE ANYWAY?

Being retired is just great, but you finish up with too much time on your hands. Hehe, just loving it :yahoo: Anyhow, in relation to this thread that kicked off many moons ago, I felt it was time to put together something that didn't ramble on so I opened up a 1922 Penny variety album in my photo gallery for those who wished to have a bo peep.

[autocoupler]

This is a good example of one of the very scarce (not that too many care:angel:) narrow date coins from group 1. This is not my coin btw, just found it while ebay surfing, pity about that little dash of obverse verdigris

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1922-Australian-KGV-PENNY-RARE-8-Pearls-Centre-Diamond-1331-refer-notes-/322182119982?hash=item4b038d022e:g:EsMAAOSw-4BXb7uT

[Unicorn]

Thanks Auto. :good:

[nealeffendi]

This is a good example of one of the very scarce (not that too many care:angel:) narrow date coins from group 3. This is not my coin btw, just found it while ebay surfing, pity about that little dash of obverse verdigris

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1922-Australian-KGV-PENNY-RARE-8-Pearls-Centre-Diamond-1331-refer-notes-/322182119982?hash=item4b038d022e:g:EsMAAOSw-4BXb7uT

With a coin like this (potentially slab-worthy) does anyone think that the dash of verdigris can be cleaned/stabilized long term or will it regrow?

[r9453]

I wish I understood autocoupler's research better. Fair dues to the seller for pointing out the problem.  

[robbiegal]

i think it is a lovely grade and was tempted
but fortunately the verdigris is photographed nicely ..........................

[autocoupler]

With a coin like this (potentially slab-worthy) does anyone think that the dash of verdigris can be cleaned/stabilized long term or will it regrow?

IMHO it's a gamble at best, but sometimes if the growth hasn't gone crusty a good soak in olive oil can break it down, and on occasions with the help of a wooden probe. If you're lucky the toning may not have been breached, but what you don't want to see is a crust that is pale green trending to white in colour, in that event it's almost certain the parent metal will be eaten into. On this coin the larger growth area just above the regalia is a richer green in colour, almost looks damp which is a promising sign in my experience, although at times the smaller spots here and there that aren't fully visible in a pic can turn out to be the biggest issue.

In my experience, if the contamination is completely removed and the coin is put through a process of stabilisation, the verdigris will not return. But it's always a gamble.

[r9453]

Hi autocoupler, thanks again for your article.

Are these the correct links for Mike Locke's internet article on Australian pennies?

http://users.scronline.com/lockem/
http://users.scronline.com/lockem/aussie.txt

[autocoupler]

Cheers Mate, glad you got something out of it. That link to Mike Locke's site is all I know of.

[r9453]

autocoupler wrote:

"I remember you were interested in the 1922 penny varieties and I noticed this 1922 Penny on ebay, it's IMO the hardest to find, an upright 9 type in conjunction with a common width date. The left edge of the foot on the second 2 aligns with the centre of the 15th denticle. It's basically the same date width as the every day garden variety with left tilted 9, but has the upright 9 instead which makes it rare. Only seen 12 or 13 of these since I've known about them, which has been about 10 or 11 years now. I notice it has one bidder, so I think a late lowish bid would get it."

I won it for $7:

[autocoupler]

I recently found this one, the best I've seen in 12 years of looking. It's the same as the pic in the previous post, a common width date with the upright 9 from group 2 (rare IMO). The 12 to 15 or so I've previously seen were only ever gfine at best. Even allowing for the crappy toning on the obverse, this one would grade gVF IMO.  :yahoo:






Also saw this on ebay, NGC graded MS62 (gEF/aU IMO) , it's an upright 9 narrow date from group 1 (extremely scarce IMO). But at $500 something Aussie, I"ll pass thanks  :kez_11:

[fred lever]

Hi, to reduce the overload of information I condensed Rays research into a magazine article that appeared in the August 2015 18-07 issue of CAB. If any body has missed that and wants a copy of the article just email me. Ray's research was stunning. The 1922 is a great coin for everybody to sift through and look for production errors and die varieties.
Fred.