APCGS Grading

robbiegal · July 05, 2015, 09:03:02 AM

I have had coins graded by PCGS and I don't know who he is

David Hall
President, Collectors Universe

Expertise: All U.S. coins.
Specialties: Top quality U.S. type coins, gold, silver dollars, commemoratives, and early 20th century coins.

David Hall arguably understands collectibles markets and how they work better than anyone in the world. He became a full-time rare coin dealer in 1972 and was quickly one of the major players. In the 1980s he was the man behind the major market innovations of the decade; guaranteed buy/sell markets, electronic trading, and his piece de resistance, the Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS). In 1990 David Hall was named Orange County "Entrepreneur Of The Year" by Inc. Magazine. The February 20, 1996 issue of Numismatic News called him "the man who changed the rare coin market forever." The July, 1999 issue of Coinage Magazine named David Hall one of the top "Numismatists of the Century."

ps there's 38 on the 'board of experts' - only two of them are women

JeffH · July 05, 2015, 11:23:21 AM

Quoteonly two of them are women

I noticed that. Is it something do do with the culture of PCGS or is it just less women are heavily into coins?
Substantially larger number of experts with Asian sounding names (including one of the women) specialising in Chinese coins.

Not one expert has expertise or specialties mentioning Australia, Canada, New Zealand or United Kingdom. Strange that, as they are all popular countries, even with American collectors.

robbiegal · July 05, 2015, 04:26:11 PM

Hence the abundance of questionable colors for our beautiful Perth bronze coins

runway · July 05, 2015, 06:34:14 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='75205' dateline='1436043396'
Quote from: 'runway' pid='75199' dateline='1436015935'Who is David Hall ?

If you have to ask that then I doubt that you have had any of your coins graded by PCGS :ok:

Just google "PCGS David Hall"

Why would I know him even if I had coins graded by PCGS ?
Just wondering how that works :close_tema:

trout · July 06, 2015, 05:43:18 AM

QuoteWhy would I know him even if I had coins graded by PCGS ?
Just wondering how that works Close_tema

Just like any other service provider you need to use, you should always check out the credentials of them before spending significant sums of money with them :ok:

This is one of the reasons why I won't use the services of APCGS to have my coins encapsulated and graded.:angel:

Oldcoinchest · July 06, 2015, 05:40:41 PM

Quote from: 'markn' pid='75182' dateline='1435974587'There are reasons other than legal that compel me to avoid on-going discussion of APCGS and their methods here. It brings down the tone of the forum and leads to a mob-mentality that we don't need. If you want to see an extreme example of how crazy it can end up (and you have Facebook account) I suggest you look at the link below. The person running the page is anti-PCGS/NGC and sounds more than a little irrational. I'd hate for a thread in this forum to end up sounding the same.

https://www.facebook.com/AustralianCoins

Yeah he is quite passionate. That is just the biggest bag out page ive seen (besides the "adam goodes is a flog" page)
I think he should devote his time to keeping up the population report of the gradings up to date to improve the company rather than just try to bag out another. Or perhaps set a grading standard. I find it hard to believe that a 2015 $2 Anzac coin out of a mint bag could grade MS70?
I think that PCGS is mentioned that much that it he promotes them. PCGS do 1000 things great you never hear of them. they do one thing NQR which they tried to fix and "BANG".

trout · July 06, 2015, 07:21:29 PM

QuoteI find it hard to believe that a 2015 $2 Anzac coin out of a mint bag could grade MS70?

I bought a roll of these NOT a bag and I decided NOT to send even the best one away to PCGS because I personally didn't think it would make even MS64 ON A good day :ok:
There is absolutely NO way a bagged coin will even go close to MS70 IMHO.

runway · July 06, 2015, 07:34:43 PM

I've have a few decimal slabbed graded by PCGS
Coins stored in these look fantastic,their MS grading is very strict by the looks and I'm a big fan of the concept

trout · July 06, 2015, 08:13:57 PM

QuoteCoins stored in these look fantastic,their MS grading is very strict by the looks

This is a "Good Thing" IMHO, It stops all the shonky wannabe grades that "Some" dealers put on a coin and 99.99% of the time with PCGS the coin is "Exactly" what it is NO BS and a money back guarantee to boot.
I think PCGS/NGC is sorting the Men from the Boys as far as getting value for your money when buying a particular coin these days.

A couple of years ago I was seriously "Poo Pooing" this concept and I bagged the crap out of slabbed coins, Not anymore I for one am convinced that this is the fair way to buy and sell coins without the BS from self graders :yahoo:

Oldcoinchest · July 06, 2015, 09:45:49 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='75289' dateline='1436179437'
QuoteCoins stored in these look fantastic,their MS grading is very strict by the looks
A couple of years ago I was seriously "Poo Pooing" this concept and I bagged the crap out of slabbed coins, Not anymore I for one am convinced that this is the fair way to buy and sell coins without the BS from self graders :yahoo:

I love the honesty from both you.

ausproofs · July 06, 2015, 10:31:15 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='75289' dateline='1436179437'
QuoteCoins stored in these look fantastic,their MS grading is very strict by the looks

This is a "Good Thing" IMHO, It stops all the shonky wannabe grades that "Some" dealers put on a coin and 99.99% of the time with PCGS the coin is "Exactly" what it is NO BS and a money back guarantee to boot.
I think PCGS/NGC is sorting the Men from the Boys as far as getting value for your money when buying a particular coin these days.

A couple of years ago I was seriously "Poo Pooing" this concept and I bagged the crap out of slabbed coins, Not anymore I for one am convinced that this is the fair way to buy and sell coins without the BS from self graders :yahoo:

Well said mate... I remember those days... :mocking:

stevo1962 · July 10, 2015, 01:07:46 PM

Quote from: 'markn' pid='75174' dateline='1435963262'
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='75132' dateline='1435895448'cheers I wouldn't know that fella if I fell over him
but he is quite infamous in this forum!!

but the good thing about discourse is that we have the conversations and with a bit of research, know that we can cheerfully list our coins as MS this and that without fear

although most people say 'my opinion is' or 'professionally graded'(sometimes with the by whom details i.e. status international auction etc.)

Other than his user name do we actually know if there is someone called "Peter Wallace"?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FLORIN-1960-AU-STRAIT-OUT-OF-MINT-ROLL-/121695911551?

I wonder who this seller is? Same style of photo