APCGS Grading

[trout]

APCGS have their own standards that are not in any way related to anyone else's.  I'd appreciate it if the usual subjects (you know who you are) could refrain from slandering them and posting TOTALLY OFF TOPIC in this thread.

If this is aimed at me just say so because I fell it was indirectly :dodgy: I really couldn't give a f**k who I upset any more as others here don't and they can try and sue me but a bit hard to get blood from a stone and if it's such a problem why start the site or just ban me and be done with it because I really don't care any more and especially because of all the compulsive liars that I'm slowly working out who they are :dodgy: Yet again turning us into the US where you can lie your arse off and it's all good and not get into trouble but tell the truth and all hell breaks loose :dash1:

Certain Australian companies or businesses have such a "Flimsy" reputation mainly based by association of certain other successful enterprises and they more than willing to open up a lawsuit against anyone who publicly questions their integrity :ok:
I personally have had "run ins" with a backer/supporter of one of these particular type of companies and from my experience they are a particularly offensive, threatening and quite simply Nasty types of people.

I imagine Markns post in regard to APCGS is more about defending this site from a lawsuit than an attack on certain members here and I fully  agree with his reaction.
So stop sooking AJ, All is good Mate :ok:

[robbiegal]

well no one seems to murmur when the name peterwallace is mentioned (over and over here)
any defamation suits can be based on clear identification of a person and that one is mentioned very clearly  

the grade MS is not a PCGS trademarked or copyrighted grading system
it was around long before PCGS were established so any coin person can use that when grading a coin  

thanks you WIKKI;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_coin_grading_scale

Original Sheldon Scale (1949)[edit]

In 1949 the original scale was first presented in "Dr. William H. Sheldon's Early American Cents" titled "A Quantitative Scale for condition" as a way to grade Large cents the scale is known today as the Sheldon scale.[1]
Grade

1 Basal State-1
2 About Good
3 About Good
4, 5, 6 Good
7, 8, 10 Very Good
12, 15 Fine
20, 30 Very Fine
40 Extremely Fine
50 About Uncirculated
60 Mint State
65 Mint State
70 Mint Station

Adopted scale (1970s–present)[edit]

By 1953 the original Sheldon scale had become outdated, it was not until the 1970s however that the ANA chose to adopt the scale for use on all US coins.[2] The scale used today has taken the original Sheldon scale and added adjustments, additions, deletions, and modifications to it.[3][4]

Note: Some early American coin varieties are almost always found weakly struck in places, this does not bring the grade of a coin down and is normal for early coins.[5]

Uncirculated grades[edit]

Mint State most commonly refers to a coin's condition and is thus given a grade used in numismatics. It is given to a coin which was not used or has not been in circulation yet, and thus can be described "as new" or "Uncirculated".[3]

In modern-day United States numismatics, mint state coins are given a number from 60 to 70 inclusive, with 70 being perceived as a perfect coin with no visible blemishes. Coins with a lower grade (60-63), although unworn, may suffer from weak striking, bag marks and other defects that make them less attractive to the collector. Some early coins appear quite worn looking in mint state, due to striking problems or problems with the coin's Planchet or metal quality, while others today are unknown to be in uncirculated condition.[6][7] The terms Brilliant (Abbr: BU), Choice, and Gem have been used to describe Uncirculated grades. A Brilliant uncirculated coin can describe any coin over the grade of MS60. Choice Uncirculated is used for coins MS-64 and above, while Gem Uncirculated is used for coins graded MS65 and above.[8]

[Oldcoinchest]

well no one seems to murmur when the name peterwallace is mentioned (over and over here)
any defamation suits can be based on clear identification of a person and that one is mentioned very clearly  

the grade MS is not a PCGS trademarked or copyrighted grading system
it was around long before PCGS were established so any coin person can use that when grading a coin  

That's a fair point Robbie, Touche.

[robbiegal]

cheers I wouldn't know that fella if I fell over him
but he is quite infamous in this forum!!

but the good thing about discourse is that we have the conversations and with a bit of research, know that we can cheerfully list our coins as MS this and that without fear

although most people say 'my opinion is' or 'professionally graded'(sometimes with the by whom details i.e. status international auction etc.)

[Oldcoinchest]

You bring up a good point and I guess my opinion was clouded. Just learning about PCGS coin grading recently and the grading system tends to be associated with it so much if you see it anywhere without a slab, you tend to dismiss the opinion. Sometimes the trees get in the way of seeing the forest.
But I guess now the clouds have cleared (a little) I can see it no different from a dealers opinion of unc, c/unc g/unc etc...
I guess its fair for old mate to give his opinion. He probably has more experience than most?

[robbiegal]

as I said I wouldn't know him if I fell over him
so I have NO opinion

for myself, I do trust many of the established dealers and of course my own coin dealer who I think is one of Australia's best!! (loyalty for you)

 there are a lot of very experienced hobbyist collectors who I also trust very much for grading, their opinions around grade, authenticity, error detection etc

after a decade or so of collecting and being mentored, one develops a trusted network and that is good enough for me - the proof is in the pudding

[markn]

cheers I wouldn't know that fella if I fell over him
but he is quite infamous in this forum!!

but the good thing about discourse is that we have the conversations and with a bit of research, know that we can cheerfully list our coins as MS this and that without fear

although most people say 'my opinion is' or 'professionally graded'(sometimes with the by whom details i.e. status international auction etc.)

Other than his user name do we actually know if there is someone called "Peter Wallace"?

[robbiegal]

I am certain that peter rabbit is real not so sure about peter w

[markn]

There are reasons other than legal that compel me to avoid on-going discussion of APCGS and their methods here.  It brings down the tone of the forum and leads to a mob-mentality that we don't need.  If you want to see an extreme example of how crazy it can end up (and you have Facebook account) I suggest you look at the link below.  The person running the page is anti-PCGS/NGC and sounds more than a little irrational.  I'd hate for a thread in this forum to end up sounding the same.

https://www.facebook.com/AustralianCoins

[robbiegal]

hey funny
I clicked the link and the big fat picture of the 1939 halfpenny is my coin - my picture has been pinched from my ebay listing - no acknowledgement either
real professional eh?

[markn]

hey funny
I clicked the link and the big fat picture of the 1939 halfpenny is my coin - my picture has been pinched from my ebay listing - no acknowledgement either
real professional eh?

Oh yeah, real professional!

[robbiegal]

well at least the photo is anyways ...

I hate people pinching pics!
I am tempted to post a comment that i'm pleased that they like my coin and it's still for sale!! ha ha ..... but ho hum ... fly low

[trout]

I am SOOO glad I don't do Flakeface/Facebook
My "anger management" is not good enough to handle the sort of crap that goes on with that site
Keep up the good work on this site Mark, Good on ya Mate.:good:

[runway]

Who is David Hall ?

[trout]

Who is David Hall ?

If you have to ask that then I doubt that you have had any of your coins graded by PCGS :ok:

Just google "PCGS David Hall"