1930 fake penny for one million dollars

[Fulvio]

That's it for me with this one -won't bother to send details.

Heh. Belinda's been at it for a while now. This from Sterling's 1930 page:

"My father has a coin that the jewellers have described as amazing and not a forgery, however when he took it to dealers to get a valuation xray and slab etc they just said it would not be real...they did not even weigh it or look under microscope..The jewellers and auctioneers he took it to locally could not fault it and were amazed, hoping he would list it with them to sell, but recommended valuation certificate first...I have copies of the photos if you are interested in valuing and possibly finding buyers for him...I think the guys in Melbourne are missing out on the sale of one of the super rare London mint coins which is in superb condition..

- Belinda"

[acrellin]

This seller does give the impression that she sincerely believes the coin is genuine, despite everything she has been told by collectors such as yourselves and the dealer's she's contacted for authentication. It is just a coincidence that her name is Belinda, I don't believe she's attempting to impersonate Belinda Downie in any way.

There was that documentary a few years back about a lady in the US that found a painting she believed was a genuine Jackson Pollock - it's called "Who the *$&% Is Jackson Pollock?", a very interesting watch indeed. Despite the differing circumstances, it reminds me of this situation. Do a google search and you can view the trailer online.

[Fr45h3R]

This seller does give the impression that she sincerely believes the coin is genuine, despite everything she has been told by collectors such as yourselves and the dealer's she's contacted for authentication. It is just a coincidence that her name is Belinda, I don't believe she's attempting to impersonate Belinda Downie in any way.

There was that documentary a few years back about a lady in the US that found a painting she believed was a genuine Jackson Pollock - it's called "Who the *$&% Is Jackson Pollock?", a very interesting watch indeed. Despite the differing circumstances, it reminds me of this situation. Do a google search and you can view the trailer online.

Found the documentary on youtube with Spanish subtitles, but still in English.
For both this painting, and the coin in the eBay listing, if you can't believe the experts, then who will believe you ?

[acrellin]

As I mentioned, these two situations are slightly different in that this item is clearly not genuine - the similarlity lies in the attitude of the people concerned. There wouldn't be an expert in Australia that could authenticate this coin.

[Fulvio]

I can understand her mindset. Its dad's, and he's had it forever, so it must be real. But without knowing how and when he came by it, that is an irrelevancy. One which she refuses to discount.

Suppose someone bought a fake, and had it in their album, or on display, or even in their pocket. Suppose further that they were robbed, and their collection was broken up, and possibly spent. Her dad comes across this coin in circulation, and thinks he's hit the jackpot.

We know this happens, because we all have NCLT coins which came out of circulation. How would you react if someone told you your VC $1 was a fake? Especially if you knew nothing about coins?

Sad part is I doubt it would ever be possible to convince her, even if you handed her an identical coin.

[trout]

I can understand her mindset. Its dad's, and he's had it forever, so it must be real. But without knowing how and when he came by it, that is an irrelevancy. One which she refuses to discount.

Suppose someone bought a fake, and had it in their album, or on display, or even in their pocket. Suppose further that they were robbed, and their collection was broken up, and possibly spent. Her dad comes across this coin in circulation, and thinks he's hit the jackpot.

We know this happens, because we all have NCLT coins which came out of circulation. How would you react if someone told you your VC $1 was a fake? Especially if you knew nothing about coins?

Sad part is I doubt it would ever be possible to convince her, even if you handed her an identical coin.

I think it is hard to convince someone that has already spent the million bucks in their dreams that their hopes a founded on smoke and mirrors.
A simple submission to PCGS and a bit of a wait and a few bucks would settle this for poor ol "Belinda" :ok:

[Goldseeker]

Why does the seller ignore many emails/questions etc that is advising her that this coin is a fake.

Something is very fishy here and her name is Belinda.

I am afraid I don't get the connection with the comment "This from Sterling's 1930 page" above?

[trout]

I am afraid I don't get the connection with the comment "This from Sterling's 1930 page" above?

Neither do I, If it was B , Downies coin then she would know how to get this authenticated or dispelled as a fake :ok:

I simply think that some poor bugger named Belinda has access to this coin and really thinks/hopes it is genuine and it will make a huge difference in her financial situation ( poor sod)

And Fulvio ya have to stop pinching the kids Green tobacco Mate :angel:

[Fulvio]

And Fulvio ya have to stop pinching the kids Green tobacco Mate

Haven't been anywhere near AJ. Really. :angel:

Anyway, the page in question is:
http://www.sterlingcurrency.com.au/research/1930-penny-australias-best-known-rare-coin

Second comment down.

Do we need to start holding Google classes for old folks or what? :diablo:

[trout]

And Fulvio ya have to stop pinching the kids Green tobacco Mate

Haven't been anywhere near AJ. Really. :angel:

Anyway, the page in question is:
http://www.sterlingcurrency.com.au/research/1930-penny-australias-best-known-rare-coin

Second comment down.

Do we need to start holding Google classes for old folks or what? :diablo:

BeJesus you are quick mate :good::laugh2:

[Australian coin]

AJ AJ AJ, haven't seen him online for a bit, and I sent him a pretty email a few days ago too! aww

[trout]

AJ AJ AJ, haven't seen him online for a bit, and I sent him a pretty email a few days ago too! aww

The cold weather knocks the little sod about Mate, Or he is just building up strength to shit stir again :diablo::laugh2:

[stevo1962]

Another fake 1930 penny but not as expensive

            http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/one-Penny-1930-1946-1925-1911-1964-/190868628693?

[dreamcatcher]

I got the following reply about how the coin was obtained...

"My father bought this coin from a man who has had it for over thirty years. He had bought it from a man in NSW who's father had died and when he was cleaning out his things, sold everything including this coin which was in a jar on his fathers mantle piece. Quite an amazing bargain bought at the right time and place. Anyway feel free to send contact details if you wish to keep informed. Best wishes Belinda"

Let's give the seller the benefit of the doubt and assume the person genuinely believes the coin is authentic. In that case their "bargain bought at the right time and place" could very well be a 4 to 5 figure loss. This person may also be a victim.

Obviously no excuse particularly given the rediculous price they are asking but naivety is a possibility.

[Fulvio]

Perhaps someone should invite Belinda into the forum? If she's a victim, it could be good therapy.