1922 Threepence.Possible remants of something

[nealeffendi]

But would the "M" version of 1921 be the right one or the scarcer 1921 plain?

[serenitystan]

My old Renniks shows..1921M u/date 7.36 million Unc price $350.00...1921M No m/m inc abv 6million Unc price $1,800.00...

[Basil]

But would the "M" version of 1921 be the right one or the scarcer 1921 plain?

That's correct Neal,i need a plain (prepared for Sydney mint.) but couldn't resist the toning on the Melb. Coin,it might come in handy down the track.

[nealeffendi]

Though if the 1921M had only the first of the 2 blows to hub the die then there may not be any trace of the M if the 2nd blow was done with a 1922 die. Comments?

[Basil]

Though if the 1921M had only the first of the 2 blows to hub the die then there may not be any trace of the M if the 2nd blow was done with a 1922 die. Comments?

Hi Neal,as i explained to Fred i try not to go down the Hubbing Rabbit Hole but i noticed Briggs talking about 2 blows for a 3d and 3 blows for a 1d.
I also read where Melbourne prepared all the 1922 Dies including the Sydney ones,tried to find it just now but couldn't,i think its in one of Briggs Books.

[nealeffendi]

Hi Basil, I have all of Dr Briggs pre decimal books, so I'll have a look at what he wrote tomorrow. 
Certainly Melbourne hubbed all the threepences, though is it confirmed that the plain version was the Sydney strike or is this supposition by the catalogers based on Sydney not being Melbourne and not wanting the M?

[Mister T]

The old catalogues say that Sydney first struck threepences in 1924 - surely they wouldn't have been using four year old dies to do that?

[Basil]

The old catalogues say that Sydney first struck threepences in 1924 - surely they wouldn't have been using four year old dies to do that?

Yes,i've seen those,i have the same details in a book from the 1960's somewhere however i've also read that some 1922 3d were also struck in Sydney using Melb. Dies without the 'M',whether that is fact or fiction who knows,i've given up speculating on what the Mints may or may not have done 100 years ago and just concentrate on the Coin itself and the Dies that struck it.
This is Renniks from the the mid/late 1960's,no mention of Sydney but the Mintage figures of 500,000 are hoplessly wrong.Later books say 5 Million.
Edit..whilst i have Renniks (1968) out i'll add Mint Records that Skinner added. Heavy research was going on at the time(1960's) and a i read where the 1921 3d Dies  without the 'M' were prepared for Sydney and not used(at Sydney) however there was a trial/test run of Melb. 1922 Dies at the Sydney Mint the following year.Fact or Fiction i don't know.
Likewise the 1919 DD Penny was a trial/test run at the Sydney Mint using Melb. Dies is also unsubstantiated but likely.





On that subject this another Coin we have found with what appears to be remnants of a '1',may not be but it is in the correct position.Whats interesting with this Coin is it doesn't appear to have the re-entering/doubling of the 2 that our other Coins with the remnant show. I'll know more when i can borrow the Pro. scope.

[Basil]

Another interesting Coin that's been given to us,2 has obviously been re-entered but looks like the remnants of a 1 hiding underneath.Desparately need another scope.

[Basilstate]

Yet another 3d showing remnants of something under the 2 that's been sent to me.In correct position for a 1 but could be anything.Same owner as the 34 6d & Shilling and same result,i need a Pro. Scope to get better images.

[Basilstate]

I found this 3d in a bulk buy,looks like remnants of the 1 under Loupe but not sure if its variety of the overdate but interested in other opinions.
It has Fred's 'goose bumps' in front of the Roos tummy so a similar die to the standard 22/21 OD.