MS68 My Foot

r9453 · June 15, 2016, 04:23:05 PM

Quote from: 'Incused' pid='90736' dateline='1465972035'I believe the latter is unlikely, so must be the first scenario.

Someone told me he sent back "several" that were mislabeled as incuse but he didn't say what grades they were. I don't think they would change the attribution unless they had the coin in hand.

nealeffendi · June 15, 2016, 10:31:35 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='90703' dateline='1465949296'
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='90701' dateline='1465948229'Yes I doubt very much if you resubmitted it to get it SP attributed it wouldn't get 68 so lave it as it is :winkextra:

I didn't "vet" this coin properly before I sent it to PCGS and if I had noticed that corrosion I would not have sent it.
That being said PCGS should have "Boddybagged" this as details environmental damage and most certainly NOT given it a 68 grade as they have.
The corrosion is quite noticeable and I should have spotted it but I just chucked 4 coins onto the submission in a hurry to fill it out a bit.
I will have to crack this out when it gets here and chuck the coin into my change jar because there is NO way I would sell this and try to pass it off as a MS68 coin.

Don't crack it out. Keep it as a demonstration piece to show the adage Buy the coin and not the slab. It would also serve to show to others how poor storage can ruin what would have been a worthy MS68. And edit to add that yes perhaps you should arrange to test their guarantee. I wouldn't expect to get Bluesheet value though as compo, some of the valuations they use are very low (like 600USD for a 1921M threepence in MS66 when the Bluesheet is 3,400AUD or over 4 times more)

trout · June 15, 2016, 10:40:33 PM

I have had many miss attributed coins come back from PCGS and other dramas But this is the first coin out of over a thousand I have had graded that has been so badly graded.
All the rest have been graded pretty accurately and I am struggling to understand how the idiot that graded this Cook missed all that damage on the coin .

ausjack · June 16, 2016, 03:56:18 PM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='90727' dateline='1465962701'I may just send it to AJ so that he can claim against PCGS for wrongly grading the coin and reimburse him for the $280 (Bluesheet value) that he "Paid" for it :diablo:
We could certainly have some fun with that and it may give us an insight as to how the PCGS guarantee stands up

But didn't I pay you

:angel: :laugh2:

:welcome: incused

runway · June 16, 2016, 10:29:30 PM

Who submits your coins to PCGS trout ?

trout · June 17, 2016, 10:36:32 AM

I emailed PCGS and quoted the order number regarding this coin before it had been posted back to me .
In a subsequent email I was informed that the reader had "Missed" seeing the order number that i had provided and that the coins were now in the postal system

QuoteHi Jim,

For cert 80663307, you can send this on its own submission form to my attention and I can have it re-reviewed. I just spoke with our Grading Room Manager and reviewed the order in our system, multiple graders, including a senior grader/verifier reviewed the coin and agree on the grade. If you do choose to send it back in please let me know the submission information and I will review it once it gets here. I also placed an alert on your account so that our Receiving Department will contact me once the cert is in-house.

All that is needed is for them to view the trueview image of the particular coin and they should spot their mistake instantly, Without me having to go through all this BS :dash1:

Seriously, why would I even bother to send this back and waste more of my time and money when they had already had the opportunity to rectify this and couldn't be bothered to at the time :angel:

I was also informed that there was NO Captain Cook coins ever graded as SP by the same person,Who just happens to be the Customer Service Manager for PCGS. :dash1:

ausjack · June 17, 2016, 10:54:11 AM

WTF, so now they're saying none have been done or the person who graded them has never done SP. Funny that the two you got done for me both have SP on them, I know it's not hard to get me confused but I'm confused :scratch_one-s_head:

trout · June 17, 2016, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='90922' dateline='1466126651'WTF, so now they're saying none have been done or the person who graded them has never done SP. Funny that the two you got done for me both have SP on them, I know it's not hard to get me confused but I'm confused :scratch_one-s_head:

Mate I have had more than 20 graded at SP :dash1:
The person that told me that these don't exist is either ill informed or is simply lying, either way I'm NOT impressed .

trout · June 21, 2016, 05:24:28 PM

This coin is now back home and I have taken some images.
At a quick glance this would pass for a MS68 coin but if you look closely at it , You soon find that it isn't.
I picked these problem areas out from the PCGS trueview images before the coin even got home.
Here are the images, You decide :ok:

echidna · June 21, 2016, 08:18:51 PM

That green stuff looks aggressive.