Where can you pick these up from? I wouldn't mind a set for the library

I've had a couple that I've called them and requested they cancel, most weren't worth the effort of sending back so they requested I crack the slabs and send them a photo of the certificate cut in half. That made them happy, they even sent me a goodies bag and some free gradings for doing it

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Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='115135' dateline='1525297012'The issues with these particular ones is I have a 1911 shilling and a 1925 shilling, both obverses struck with the same dies and have the same marks.

So did they come from Canada or Spain? (or is there any other sellers involved?)
Did any of them make it as far as being sent for grading? Almost certainly from one of the obverses I also got caught with.
I don't know if the forum will allow it but are we allowed to post the details of the sellers (eBay name, postal address etc) of coins determined to be genuine. So K&M, can we post the details of these honest sellers?

They came from durospain, both were graded but have since had their certificates cancelled.

The issues with these particular ones is I have a 1911 shilling and a 1925 shilling, both obverses struck with the same dies and have the same marks.

That is true, gathering some nice high res photos of both the real and fake examples has been very useful in picking markers however there is little chance of distinguishing those from sales photos, even in hand you really have to know what you are looking for with these new ones.
Just sad to see so many buyers falling victim to their scams, buy the coin of their dreams for their collection only to be told one day its fake. Fast way to kill collectors enthusiasm.

There are a bunch of new fakes of these and the swans which don't have alot of the identifiers in that article, flaws under R of George on 1934/35's and a few common marks on the swans ect are the new identifiers for these struck ones coming out. With the amount of money they have made off these things in the past few months checking ebay sales records I'm sure they have the ability to change up the mix a bit which is going to make things interesting.

The certificates for those two still aren't showing up for me on the PCGS website, would love to add the pic's to my register of fake dies they have produced.

It all depends on what the dealer has negotiated in their contracts, including errors in economy submissions or whatever it is.  They wont allow you to submit all errors however, there are criteria as to what will be accepted in economy and which must still go to error service.
Hong Kong submission centre allows you to submit those errors with other regular submission level coins and you just pay a $15US per coin fee for an error designation. Can make it cheaper if you only have a few but personally I still submit direct to the US to avoid the lengthy turnarounds, costs more but 4 weeks vs 20 weeks pays for itself.

Mine came from Spain, 1911 shilling and 1925/3 shilling so far are the only ones I have seen, just pulled them from numis to send back.

We will find out aswell, I'm sending all that I had back ASAP

If anyone has any in PCGS holders I would be more than happy to send them back for you, I have pulled all examples I had in auctions and in the safe to send back. Now in complete agreement they are  100% counterfeit no doubt at all.

I would recommend doing these through a dealer, we have the ability to push orders and talk to the people involved on your behalf and hurry these things up. There is no way I would let a customers sub take that long without getting it sorted for them

Pcgs at least will put their money where their mouth is so if they do get it wrong at least you will have some recourse. There will always be astute Collector's who will keep them in check aswell such as they have done here.

As mike has stated in subsequent emails, they do not wish for coins that are questioned being in circulation. That's why they have the guarantee in place and would be more than happy to inspect any suspect coins and if found to be counterfeit add them to their registry of fake coins. Working with them on any concerns is the best outcome we can hope for, at least then we can keep those in Pcgs slabs in high confidence.

Mike is a pretty good authority on counterfeit coins, he doesn't see them as a problem for their graders which is a good thing. If you do however have any evidence of suspected copies in PCGS holders (as stated on a few occasions) I wouldn't mind sending cert numbers to him to have a look at. As the only example on CCF was in NGC i dont think he was too concerned about PCGS's reputation.